Minor League talent rankings

[Jordan4life_2007]

If Kenny Williams loved Viciedo that much, he wouldn't have signed a 1b and a DH to 3 year deals this offseason, he'd have Viciedo DHing. Or at worst, signed a guy like Lee or Pena to a 1 year deal.

 

Then he'll trade him. He's not gonna be in the minors or fill a bench role.

[Balta1701]

Then he'll trade him. He's not gonna be in the minors or fill a bench role.

He'll probably start the year in the minors, but yes, he's going to be traded.

[SoxAce]

Which is why the org tried moving Viciedo to 1b to start last season, traded for Mark Teahen, and spent $15 million extending Teahen.

 

Morel has been a nice surprise, and Viciedo was moved back there last year because of Teahen's implosion, but really, they went out and traded for Teahen because they didn't want Viciedo at 3b and they thought Teahen would be a defensive upgrade there. Viciedo's going to need years in the minors to become an adequate 3b, and his bat doesn't belong there.

 

No they didn't. They traded for Teahen because Viciedo was not ready yet. He was just starting AAA that year after being in AA (Morel was starting AA), not to mention he played alot of 3B for Charlotte, and if I'm not mistaken to start the year, before making the move to 1B since Pauly was in a contract year.

[Balta1701]

No they didn't. They traded for Teahen because Viciedo was not ready yet. He was just starting AAA that year after being in AA (Morel was starting AA), not to mention he played alot of 3B for Charlotte, and if I'm not mistaken to start the year, before making the move to 1B since Pauly was in a contract year.

He played a lot of 3b for Charlotte once Teahen got hurt and they found themselves scrambling for a non-terrible 3b playing option.

 

They traded for Teahen not because Viciedo wasn't ready, but because he didn't belong there.

[SouthsideDon48]

A middle of the rotation starter and a league average third baseman isn't a whole lot of trade value. I think it's also worth noting that Hudson had taken a slight step back from his previous season while in AAA.

 

And, I'll concede the point about being more proven than any old draft pick. I personally think that until you show something in the majors you haven't really shown anything, though.

Getting something for a soon-to-be free agent with 2 months left on his contract is better than getting nothing.

[Quin]

I still say Dayan is in RF when its all said and done.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I still say Dayan is in RF when its all said and done.

 

Not unless CQ is traded. It's 3B or bust for Viciedo.

[knightni]

I still say Dayan is in RF when its all said and done.

I'd say that he's a LF ... with another organization.

[Jordan4life_2007]

All I know is we better get a good piece back if we trade Dayan. The bat is real. I'm sick of this organization mishandling young talent.

[sircaffey]

He played a lot of 3b for Charlotte once Teahen got hurt and they found themselves scrambling for a non-terrible 3b playing option.

 

They traded for Teahen not because Viciedo wasn't ready, but because he didn't belong there.

Ehh. Something's fishy with that logic. Morel was hitting .320 while playing 3B. You think they moved Viciedo to 3B and Morel to SS because they were scrambling to find a 3B? I think it's more likely they had a change in philosophy and knew they were going to be able to retain Pauly, pursue Dunn hard, and move Viciedo back to 3B.

[witesoxfan]

I think Viciedo to the OF is very, very possible. Pierre is a free agent after this season, so there's one spot; Quentin is going to be quite expensive next season, so unless he shows that he can be semi-capable defensively and show a bit more consistency (Joe Morgan quality analysis right there), he's going to be gone too, so that's 2 spots. The Sox don't exactly have any outfielders knocking on the doors either. Morel looks like he could be great defensively and solid offensively, so you are going to want that glove remaining in the infield.

 

And, until a huge hole comes up and rears its ugly head, Viciedo isn't going to go in any deals either, as this team is pretty solid up and down right now. They won't deal Viciedo for a bench player and, if they trade him for a reliever, they damn well better be getting a top 5 reliever in the game. That leaves starting pitching and anywhere else offensively, and Viciedo can (probably) fill about 5 of those spots, so you are basically looking at an injury up the middle or to the rotation if they are to trade Viciedo.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I think Viciedo to the OF is very, very possible. Pierre is a free agent after this season, so there's one spot; Quentin is going to be quite expensive next season, so unless he shows that he can be semi-capable defensively and show a bit more consistency (Joe Morgan quality analysis right there), he's going to be gone too, so that's 2 spots. The Sox don't exactly have any outfielders knocking on the doors either. Morel looks like he could be great defensively and solid offensively, so you are going to want that glove remaining in the infield.

 

And, until a huge hole comes up and rears its ugly head, Viciedo isn't going to go in any deals either, as this team is pretty solid up and down right now. They won't deal Viciedo for a bench player and, if they trade him for a reliever, they damn well better be getting a top 5 reliever in the game. That leaves starting pitching and anywhere else offensively, and Viciedo can (probably) fill about 5 of those spots, so you are basically looking at an injury up the middle or to the rotation if they are to trade Viciedo.

 

Joakim Soria popped into my head as I read that. Unfortunately, the Royals have Moustakas on the cusp. But Vicedo could intrigue them if he proves he can cut it in the OF. Of course we'd have to add more. Soria might be the most underrated player in baseball. When you really break it down, Soria has been just a tick, and I mean TICK, below Rivera the last three years. Awesome pitcher.

[Dick Allen]

Which is why the org tried moving Viciedo to 1b to start last season, traded for Mark Teahen, and spent $15 million extending Teahen.

 

Morel has been a nice surprise, and Viciedo was moved back there last year because of Teahen's implosion, but really, they went out and traded for Teahen because they didn't want Viciedo at 3b and they thought Teahen would be a defensive upgrade there. Viciedo's going to need years in the minors to become an adequate 3b, and his bat doesn't belong there.

Why then does KW have Viciedo working out at 3B daily this offseason with Joey Cora? That's the spot he can find major league playing time in 2011. I'm sure he's been told that. He appears to be a guy that needs a carrot in front of his nose for maximum results.

Edited December 27, 2010 by Dick Allen

[Quin]

Something overlooked:

 

Dayan will only be 24 by the time Paulie's contract is up.

 

He can work on his walking ability and playing corner OF/3B (Morel insurance) in AAA.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Something overlooked:

 

Dayan will only be 24 by the time Paulie's contract is up.

 

He can work on his walking ability and playing corner OF/3B (Morel insurance) in AAA.

 

You can't be suggesting we stash Viciedo away for three years.

[gatnom]

Brent Morel is Chris Getz part 2.

[iamshack]

Brent Morel is Chris Getz part 2.

I heard they are likening him more to Joe Crede, but whether that just stems from his defensive abilities at the same position, I am not certain.

[gatnom]

I heard they are likening him more to Joe Crede, but whether that just stems from his defensive abilities at the same position, I am not certain.

 

I was making more of a connection to him being a mediocre twins-like player who would be traded at the end of the season because he's blocking somebody with greater potential at the position.

[iamshack]

I was making more of a connection to him being a mediocre twins-like player who would be traded at the end of the season because he's blocking somebody with greater potential at the position.

Yeah, could be. I honestly don't know much of anything about him. I had given up watching the last few weeks of the season when he was getting playing time.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Viciedo hits lefties so good that he will play a fair amount of 3rd base unless he costs the Sox games with his D early on or Morel shows he's more than a liability with his bat.

Edited December 27, 2010 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Paint it Black]

But see, it doesn't hurt that Sale and Beckham are already producing in the Big Leagues! That is the entire point of the draft!

 

I could give a s*** about this stuff.

 

Why not just have a ranking of draft picks contributions to the MLB club? That seems far more relevant to me.

Because it still wouldn't matter. It's not like the White Sox has some visionary idea with Sale people. Plus Beckham has been out of the minors for 2 drafts, so it's really time to stop using that excuse.

 

Although rankings don't mean anything, it matters that the White Sox have almost nothing for a farm system. No trade bait in prospects, no quality players who could play in a pinch/injury, and no future. This team doesn't spend in the draft, and it will eventually catch up to them.

[iamshack]

Because it still wouldn't matter. It's not like the White Sox has some visionary idea with Sale people. Plus Beckham has been out of the minors for 2 drafts, so it's really time to stop using that excuse.

 

Although rankings don't mean anything, it matters that the White Sox have almost nothing for a farm system. No trade bait in prospects, no quality players who could play in a pinch/injury, and no future. This team doesn't spend in the draft, and it will eventually catch up to them.

But that doesn't address the fact that these rankings do not take into account whether or not recent draft picks have actually contributed to the mlb club, which, impliedly, is the entire point of the rankings in the first place.

 

If you're going to make draw an inference that the strength of your farm system is a measure of your drafting ability or your ability to impact your mlb club then you must account for recent draft picks that have contributed to the mlb club ahead of schedule.

[justBLAZE]

Why then does KW have Viciedo working out at 3B daily this offseason with Joey Cora? That's the spot he can find major league playing time in 2011. I'm sure he's been told that. He appears to be a guy that needs a carrot in front of his nose for maximum results.

 

Not questioning you but you mind sharing the source of these news?

 

Now I know this isn't a credible source of news of any kind but looking at the White Sox Depth Chart (updated Dec 26) Dayan Viciedo is no where to be found and Morel seems penciled in at 3B, while Dayan is a third string backup at 1B and DH.

 

Link. Once again, I know this means absolutely nothing, yet it is interesting.

Edited December 27, 2010 by justBLAZE

[Balta1701]

I was making more of a connection to him being a mediocre twins-like player who would be traded at the end of the season because he's blocking somebody with greater potential at the position.

Brent Morel should not be a mediocre, Twins-type, no power, weak hitting player.

[witesoxfan]

Brent Morel is Chris Getz part 2.

 

That's a pretty mediocre comparison. Getz isn't that good defensively, isn't a good hitter, has no power, and doesn't really show patience. He is a hustle and heart kind of player who is best served on the bench. Brent Morel has shown throughout the minors that he's a good hitter, has showed doubles power, and hit a couple balls in the in the season that haven't really landed yet.

 

Basically, Brent Morel can be a capable starting player whereas Chris Getz really can't.