Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 How would bringing up Cotts hurt his development? What else does he have to develop? A Perfect Game? Sooner or later he's gotta come up and face the big boys, and he's ready He has better stuff than Wright and Porzio so what would be the big deal about bringing him up now? You can't shield a kid from something he was destined to do U don't see the pressure that would be on him to bring him up now? Right now? In th middle of a pennant race? 1 gm outta 1st place? We wouldn't even be talking about Cotts if Wright, Porzio, Or Stewart we're getting the job done. If we brought him up now it would be outta desperation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Are you seriousley going to compare Cotts to Porzio and Wright? I hope not.... The next time the 5th spot comes up, it will be At Chicago against Oakland... You could be looking at August 8th or 9th could be a possibility... Am I comparing Cotts to Wright and Porzio? In the sense that they could give a s*** less what people on this board think and the fans think, yes. That would be the last thing on any of their minds. They are there to try to pitch well and give the team a chance to win the game. If there is pressure on Neal it would be the pressure of making his first MLB start. If he comes up and doesn't do well, then they will send him down and chalk it u p to him not being ready. He'll go back to pitching in Birmingham and pitching well. That doesn't mean he won't be upset about it, but it is much dfferent than the pressure a guy like Wright or Porzio were under. I think Cotts will hold his own. He may learn that one mistake can turn quickly into a 3-run HR in the Show, but I don't think he will embarass himself at all. The next time the 5th starter will be needed is August 12. I believe that start is in Anaheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Are you seriousley going to compare Cotts to Porzio and Wright? I hope not.... The next time the 5th spot comes up, it will be At Chicago against Oakland... You could be looking at August 8th or 9th could be a possibility... Am I comparing Cotts to Wright and Porzio? In the sense that they could give a s*** less what people on this board think and the fans think, yes. That would be the last thing on any of their minds. They are there to try to pitch well and give the team a chance to win the game. If there is pressure on Neal it would be the pressure of making his first MLB start. If he comes up and doesn't do well, then they will send him down and chalk it u p to him not being ready. He'll go back to pitching in Birmingham and pitching well. That doesn't mean he won't be upset about it, but it is much dfferent than the pressure a guy like Wright or Porzio were under. I think Cotts will hold his own. He may learn that one mistake can turn quickly into a 3-run HR in the Show, but I don't think he will embarass himself at all. The next time the 5th starter will be needed is August 12. I believe that start is in Anaheim. I agree...My point is if they bring Cotts up I wanna see him produce..Seems like some of u guys wanna see him just to see somebody other than Wright or Porzio. Or some of u r just HUGE Cotts fans and wanna see him pitch in the big leagues cause u THINK he's ready RIGHT now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieOnRitalin Posted August 3, 2003 Author Share Posted August 3, 2003 Of course there is pressure... I'm not going to deny the pressure If we have an asset of that of Neal Cotts, we should be able to use him... When you got an offense like ours to help take some of that pressure of him... If he comes up and only gives up 4 runs in 6 1/3, then he will have the weight of that first game off of his shoulders and in the next start will have much much much more confidence and you will see that his STUFF will take over rather the pressure... If we are so worried about the pressure for Cotts, are we always going to feel this way about him no matter WHEN HE COMES UP? If he believes he can come up here and get the job done, then why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieOnRitalin Posted August 3, 2003 Author Share Posted August 3, 2003 Rex, I wasn't speaking to you...I believe I was speaking to Jordan's comments Anyway I want Cotts here not because I just RATHER HAVE HIM HERE... I want him here because I think he can help us.. If I didn't believe that, then why would I want him up...? I want him up because I think he can succeed, not regress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Seems like some of u guys wanna see him just to see somebody other than Wright or Porzio. Or some of u r just HUGE Cotts fans and wanna see him pitch in the big leagues cause u THINK he's ready RIGHT now. So what are you trying to say??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Of course there is pressure... I'm not going to deny the pressure If we have an asset of that of Neal Cotts, we should be able to use him... When you got an offense like ours to help take some of that pressure of him... If he comes up and only gives up 4 runs in 6 1/3, then he will have the weight of that first game off of his shoulders and in the next start will have much much much more confidence and you will see that his STUFF will take over rather the pressure... If we are so worried about the pressure for Cotts, are we always going to feel this way about him no matter WHEN HE COMES UP? If he believes he can come up here and get the job done, then why not Hey man. If we weren't in the middle of a pennant race or if this was earlier in the season I wouldn't have a problem with him comin up 1 bit...If he comes up and does well then that would be wonderful I would just hate to see him come up get rocked a couple times then sent back. That type of s*** can have a mental effect on some guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 And we're still waiting for the next "RANDY JOHNSON" in Jon Rauch....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 And we're still waiting for the next "RANDY JOHNSON" in Jon Rauch....lol Anyone that ever said Jon Rauch would be the next Randy Johnson had no clue what they were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Anyone that ever said Jon Rauch would be the next Randy Johnson had no clue what they were talking about. lol...well the whole 6"11 thing prompted a lot of people to say that. But believe me. I knew better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 I know Cotts isn't ready and needs to get some big league control. Just the thought of Harden Cotts matchup does stimulate me though. Perhaps 2004 will be the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 I know Cotts isn't ready and needs to get some big league control. Just the thought of Harden Cotts matchup does stimulate me though. Perhaps 2004 will be the year. What makes you think Cotts is not ready? Without seeing him pitch, how can you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Seen him pitch, and he's not ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Seen him pitch, and he's not ready. Just because you saw him at the Future's Game does not really mean "you have seen him pitch". That game has little to no bearing on COtts getting a callup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Wright nor Porzio had the kind of numbers Cotts has had in the minors... To assume that Cotts would get pounded is beyond stupid... Hey man, look at Zito, he just got POUNDED... It happens, jesus, its not the end of the world... But the reason why I'm fed up with Wright is because he has clearly been put into the situation again adn again and again and again and again and again...and failed... You ever thought of the possibility of Cotts actually being the final piece of the rotation? I prefer to be optimistic than pessimistic... It is not completely out of the realm of possibility that he comes up and has success Wrigth had numbers in the minors that were comparable to Cotts's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 ESPN's take: 2002 Season Dan Wright turned in an acceptable performance for a young starter. Wright won 14 games and made it through five innings in 27 of 33 starts. His high ERA was the result of too many big innings, many of which were the result of allowing 32 home runs. Pitching Perhaps because he's been so focused on not falling behind hitters, Wright rarely has shown the 95-MPH fastball he had in the minors. He often throws two-seam sinkers in the low 90s. That's more than enough velocity to set up his knuckle-curve, which is a plus pitch. Some think it would be even better if he made his delivery a little smoother. He's a good student and hard worker. While he hit six batters with pitches, coaches would like him to knock hitters off the plate more frequently, especially righthanded hitters. They often seemed comfortable against him. Defense Wright is an average fielder who allows a lot of grounders to go past him up the middle. He needs to work hard during spring training to either hold on runners better or shorten his time to home plate. Opponents were successful on almost 83 percent of their stolen-base attempts against him in 2002. Last night's assessment: Wright is winless in 12 major league starts this season. Wright allowed six runs -- five earned -- and eight hits in five-plus innings. Pitch log: 1st: I Suzuki struck out swinging. R Winn flied out to center. B Boone singled to right. B Boone stole second. A big Wright weakness E Martinez flied out to center. 2nd: J Olerud walked. Big Wright weakness M Cameron doubled to right center, J Olerud to third. B Davis grounded out to second, J Olerud scored, M Cameron to third. R Sanchez singled to left, M Cameron scored. M McLemore popped out to third. I Suzuki flied out to left. 3rd: R Winn flied out to left. B Boone singled to center. E Martinez grounded into double play, first to shortstop, B Boone out at second. 4th: J Olerud grounded out to second. M Cameron lined out to shortstop. B Davis struck out swinging. 5th: R Sanchez singled to right. M McLemore struck out swinging, R Sanchez stole second. R Sanchez to third on throwing error by catcher S Alomar Jr. 83% success rate in steals on Wright I Suzuki grounded out to second, R Sanchez scored. R Winn popped out to shortstop. 6th: Wright loses it B Boone singled to center. E Martinez singled to left, B Boone to second. J Olerud homered to right, B Boone and E Martinez scored. M Cameron flied out to center. B Davis grounded out to third. R Sanchez grounded out to shortstop. 7th: Ginter on & he's God awful M McLemore flied out to center. I Suzuki singled to right. R Winn hit by pitch, I Suzuki to second. B Boone flied out to center. E Martinez walked, I Suzuki to third, R Winn to second. J Olerud homered to center, I Suzuki, R Winn and E Martinez scored. M Cameron flied out to right. 8th: Wunsch on. A thing of beauty. B Davis grounded out to shortstop. R Sanchez struck out looking. M McLemore struck out looking. Consensus: The SOX do not have a 5th starter that gives them any shot at winning a game. Both Ginter & Wright suck. Wright's the better pitcher but he can't hold a runner on worth sheit! Why doesn't Cooper work on signals with Wright? Somebody give him a signal when to throw over just to keep the runner honest? Obviously with is melt-down in the last inning the success rate of runners wears down his mind. If only we could have kept Wells or Fogg & given them Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 We need to have a good fifth starter. Its hard to see our winning streaks stopped because our fift starter cant get us a decent outing. We are in the middle of the race for the Central crown so I really hope we get a better starter. We cant give up wins every fifth start. This is crucial time, we need to win most of the games or at least have a fifth starter that give us a chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Seen him pitch, and he's not ready. So you have seen him pitch how many times? How many innings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 We need to have a good fifth starter. Its hard to see our winning streaks stopped because our fift starter cant get us a decent outing. We are in the middle of the race for the Central crown so I really hope we get a better starter. We cant give up wins every fifth start. This is crucial time, we need to win most of the games or at least have a fifth starter that give us a chance to win. Don't blame Wright. Hell, if Danny were pitching in any of the 5 or 6 games before last night, the Sox would be right in it or still ahead after the sixth inning. The Sox are 6-6 in games Danny has started. That's not bad for a 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Don't blame Wright. Hell, if Danny were pitching in any of the 5 or 6 games before last night, the Sox would be right in it or still ahead after the sixth inning. The Sox are 6-6 in games Danny has started. That's not bad for a 5th starter. After last night runners have better than an 83% success rate of stealing when Danny pitchers. You don't think that's a problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 After last night runners have better than an 83% success rate of stealing when Danny pitchers. You don't think that's a problem? How many stolen bases led to the runs scored last night? How many of those runs would not have scored had there not been a stolen base?? What are the percentages of the Sox other starters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Just to add another point in favor of Cotts coming up. KC just brought a guy up from AA -- GOBBLE -- and he's shut out the hot hitting Rays through 6. Sox management has to have faith in the guys we acquire and use them when they are HOT. Cotts' is certainly HOT. Wright is NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Cotts has too many walks. Hes just another Danny Wrong. Bring up Felix Diaz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Cotts has too many walks. Hes just another Danny Wrong. Bring up Felix Diaz... :dips*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 3, 2003 Share Posted August 3, 2003 Cotts has too many walks. Hes just another Danny Wrong. Bring up Felix Diaz... Diaz is on the DL....... try to pay attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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