Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:59 AM) As good as Soriano is, $10 million for 70 innings that won't be pitched in the 9th is ridiculous. You can talk about how much a reliever is worth with regards to WAR all day, but at the end of the day, relievers get paid for WPA, and paying that for a guy to pitch the 8th inning would result in virtually little return on investment. It'd basically be a $10 million insurance policy on Mo. This is the first time we've agreed on something in months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:51 AM) A $10 to $12 million dollar a year set-up man when you already have a closer making $15 million. So that's almost $30 million dedicated to two relievers. That would be fiscally irresponsible even for the Yankees and clearly a panic move to counter what the Red Sox have done. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:59 AM) As good as Soriano is, $10 million for 70 innings that won't be pitched in the 9th is ridiculous. You can talk about how much a reliever is worth with regards to WAR all day, but at the end of the day, relievers get paid for WPA, and paying that for a guy to pitch the 8th inning would result in virtually little return on investment. It'd basically be a $10 million insurance policy on Mo. While I agree with everything there, it's the Yankees and their fiscal responsibility is a lot different than any other team. The fact that they have a horrific rotation right now means that their pen better be top-notch to compete. So while $10 million for a 70-inning set-up man is way too much, it would ensure them the best 1-2 bunch in baseball and certainly help them lockdown the end of games. But it is interesting to note that even the Yankees haven't paid up to Boras yet so maybe either they realize 1) they would be bidding against themselves, 2) he isn't as good as his stats indicate 3) they do realize that's a lot of money for a set-up man or 4) they have become more financially responsible. I am inclined to go with 1 right now. Edited January 7, 2011 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I think Soriano's willingness to set up for the Yankees is all about money. If they didn't say that, eliminating the team that is probably willing and able to pay the most for his services, isn't exactly a bright move. Maybe this is where the Angels finally spend some money, but other than that, what team is going to pay him the money Boras wants besides the Yankees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:51 AM) A $10 to $12 million dollar a year set-up man when you already have a closer making $15 million. So that's almost $30 million dedicated to two relievers. That would be fiscally irresponsible even for the Yankees and clearly a panic move to counter what the Red Sox have done. I agree with your point, but I still think the Yankees are on such a different level financially, that the move wouldn't be irresponsible. Yeah its a panic move, but with their rotation and must-win mentality, it's what they might need to do. Having the best 8th & 9th inning combo in baseball isn't a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 from Rotoworld: According to ESPN.com's Buster Olney, the Yankees are not interested in paying Rafael Soriano big money to be a setup man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 07:38 AM) I agree with your point, but I still think the Yankees are on such a different level financially, that the move wouldn't be irresponsible. Yeah its a panic move, but with their rotation and must-win mentality, it's what they might need to do. Having the best 8th & 9th inning combo in baseball isn't a bad thing. Paying $10 million for a set up man is irresponsible. It takes 2 really bad and 6 other bad appearances all year to take an ERA from 1.73 to 3.73, and the WHIP can be just as bad too. And, considering that Soriano has had arm problems in the past as well, it's just simply not wise to spend $10 million on him unless you plan on having him close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 08:45 AM) Paying $10 million for a set up man is irresponsible. It takes 2 really bad and 6 other bad appearances all year to take an ERA from 1.73 to 3.73, and the WHIP can be just as bad too. And, considering that Soriano has had arm problems in the past as well, it's just simply not wise to spend $10 million on him unless you plan on having him close. Your numbers argument can also be made about closers, but I do agree $10 million is not a smart move for a set up man. As the previous post says, the Yankees agree cause they won't pay him that much. If they did, it may be a dumb move, but I just wouldn't call it irresponsible, due to their financial resources and need to win every single year. They have the money to spend, if sometimes they have to make questionable moves, they have the ability to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 08:45 AM) Paying $10 million for a set up man is irresponsible. It takes 2 really bad and 6 other bad appearances all year to take an ERA from 1.73 to 3.73, and the WHIP can be just as bad too. And, considering that Soriano has had arm problems in the past as well, it's just simply not wise to spend $10 million on him unless you plan on having him close. This is only true if you are paying based on peripheral numbers. The overall goal is to win games. If the rotation is suspect and they can't improve it, the only other option is to improve the bullpen to reduce the damage the starters can do. Where the money is poorly spent is his health issues. If it's a deal more than 2 of years, odds are he will miss a good potion of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:51 AM) A $10 to $12 million dollar a year set-up man when you already have a closer making $15 million. So that's almost $30 million dedicated to two relievers. That would be fiscally irresponsible even for the Yankees and clearly a panic move to counter what the Red Sox have done. Fiscally responsible and the Yankees? HA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 09:31 AM) Fiscally responsible and the Yankees? HA! Cashman's trying to play it stingy this off-season to non-returning and non-ultra important icon ex Yankees this year. He said he wouldn't give up his first round pick for Balfour, Soriano, or Pavano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/whit...el-soriano.html Looks like we'll be waiting for a real good bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/01/whit...el-soriano.html Looks like we'll be waiting for a real good bargain. I think they will eventually find a middle ground. Chicago is his best fit no doubt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 So where is Soriano going? It appears he doesn't have too many options. I'm sure the Phillies would love to trade Blanton somewhere and pick up Soriano, because ever other team that has made sense appears to be "out of it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) So where is Soriano going? It appears he doesn't have too many options. I'm sure the Phillies would love to trade Blanton somewhere and pick up Soriano, because ever other team that has made sense appears to be "out of it" He'll sign a 1 year deal with many of incentives here! For instance- X amount of saves and he'll earn an extra 2 million. IF he makes the all-star team he'll recieve X amount of dollars etc. . I just have a feeling both parties will eventually find a middle ground and he'll sign here. He would be a PERFECT fit here. And once Peavy comes back you can throuh Sale in there as well. Soriano CL Thorton L SU Crain R SU Santos R MR Ohman L MR Pena- R LR Infante R LR Edited January 8, 2011 by GreatScott82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) So where is Soriano going? It appears he doesn't have too many options. I'm sure the Phillies would love to trade Blanton somewhere and pick up Soriano, because ever other team that has made sense appears to be "out of it" I can't imagine the Phillies adding anymore to their payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) I can't imagine the Phillies adding anymore to their payroll. He would make that Philly team unstoppable. Their bullpen's mediocre right now. But if you add Soriano and put Lidge and Madson in setup roles, it would make that bullpen one of the better ones in the NL. But yeah, they don't have the money. Perhaps if they trade Joe Blanton, they can offer him a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Not sure if this was posted, but supposedly Cashman said he is not willing to sacrifice Yankees numer #1 pick for Soriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 12:54 PM) Not sure if this was posted, but supposedly Cashman said he is not willing to sacrifice Yankees numer #1 pick for Soriano. I don't blame him. And it would be a bad move long-term anyway. You don't pay set-up men 10 million plus dollars. You just don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Latest from Heyman: #yankees still in on soriano. #chisox pen looks good/full now. #angels could play for sori but need hitting even more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jan 8, 2011 -> 01:19 PM) Latest from Heyman: #yankees still in on soriano. #chisox pen looks good/full now. #angels could play for sori but need hitting even more I would love to get him on a 1 year deal for 8-10 million, but the Sox never seemed to intersted, and the Yankees/Angels would probably be willing to give him 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 10:29 AM) I would love to get him on a 1 year deal for 8-10 million, but the Sox never seemed to intersted, and the Yankees/Angels would probably be willing to give him 2 years. you have to have that kind of coin in the piggy bank and it sounds like we've already exhausted most of it if not all of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 QUOTE (spiderman @ Jan 9, 2011 -> 09:29 AM) I would love to get him on a 1 year deal for 8-10 million, but the Sox never seemed to intersted, and the Yankees/Angels would probably be willing to give him 2 years. I really doubt Soriano signs a two year deal. Its not Borass's style at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Cashman said the Yankees are not signing Soriano because they are not willing to give up a draft pick for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Heyman reporting Yanks will sign Soriano and indeed surrender their pick. Likely to be 3/35. No way we were ever that close to his price. Oh well the speculation was fun. Link: http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/25731057428992000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 That Yankees bullpen sure looks good now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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