TomPickle Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 This is baseball related, but not really so I figured I'd be best off posting it here and if no one replies/cares then no big deal. Another forum I post on had the idea to put together a sim league using Out of the Park Baseball with 30 teams controlled by actual people. It started with a 20 round fantasy draft of everyone in the MLB with 130 ABs or 50 IP (players who were free agents as of October 2nd were not draft eligible) and a subsequent minor league draft for any player that did not meet the requirements for the MLB player draft. The minor league draft is currently ongoing, but it's 12th round so most every notable prospect has been taken. After the major league draft was complete free agency began but it will be ongoing until sometime in March when 40 man rosters have to be set. The salary cap is $140 million which everyone realized was way too damn high and it's going to be reduced somewhat significantly if we make it to a second year of the league. Both the major and minor league drafts were snake format and I had the 22nd pick in the first round of the major league draft and the 4th pick in the minor league draft. I can post my exact draft order later if anyone cares, but for right now I'm just going to post my nearly complete. C: Ryan Hanigan 1B: Luke Scott 2B: Maicer Izturis SS: Alexei Ramirez 3B: Kevin Kouzmanoff LF: Josh Willingham CF: Ryan Sweeney RF: Mike Stanton DH: Adam Dunn (FA signing 4 years/$71 M) Bench: Michael Saunders (I'll move him to AAA if I can sign a decent 4th OF), Jeff Mathis (Undrafted FA 1 year/1.1 M) SP: Adam Wainwright SP: John Danks SP: Ricky Nolasco SP: Jake Westbrook (FA signing 2 years/$22 M) SP: Tim Stauffer LR: Brad Bergesen RP: Manny Acosta RP: Alberto Arias RP: Robinson Tejada RP: J.P. Howell RP: Matt Thornton I'm one of two or three teams in on Rafael Soriano as well. Minors (overall pick number): 4. Dustin Ackley, 2B (Mariners) 56. Manny Machado, SS (Orioles) 65. Alex White, SP (Indians) 116. Brent Morel, 3B (White Sox) 125. Alex Colome, SP (Rays) 176. Asher Wojciechowski, SP (Blue Jays) 185. Louis Coleman, RP (Royals) 236. Kyle Parker, OF (Rockies) 245. Alex Cobb, SP (Rays) 296. Max Stassi, C (A's) 305. Rex Brothers, RP/SP (Rockies) So any critiques, pointers, or just overall thoughts would be appreciated. If there are any sleeper or under-the-radar type prospects that you like I'd love to get some insight on that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 We did this about 6 or 7 years ago with actual team rosters. Which version of OOTP are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Its impossible to tell without studying the entire league and seeing how the relative ratings work. Even then you would have to wait a season or two to see how the actual settings were (home run heavy, etc). That being said, ask 2 different people and youll get 2 different answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) We'll be using the newest version when it comes out. Edited January 29, 2011 by TomPickle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 OOTP is weird because development can change things so that the game doesn't represent real MLB. I can make a sure real MLB star into a journeyman, but make a stiff that never made it out of the minors into an All-Star. If you screen capture player ratings and post them, that would give people a better idea of what you really have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 IMHO OOTP isn't even worth playing if it's not 6.5 It's like they keep trying to improve on something that was already perfect. Like everyone else said, without seeing the ratings (i preferred 1-100 rather than 1-10 when I played), there's no way to give an opinion. I haven't looked at a league in awhile, have they fixed Mark Prior being an absolute beast in every league yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Also, depending on the league set up, past stats can be just as crucial as their overall ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (chwhtsox @ Jan 3, 2011 -> 07:41 PM) IMHO OOTP isn't even worth playing if it's not 6.5 It's like they keep trying to improve on something that was already perfect. Like everyone else said, without seeing the ratings (i preferred 1-100 rather than 1-10 when I played), there's no way to give an opinion. I haven't looked at a league in awhile, have they fixed Mark Prior being an absolute beast in every league yet? There is so much wrong with this post. 1) 6.5 was great, but far from perfect. Recent versions of the game have been better (improved game engine, better development, more realistic progressions). That being said, I've bought it yearly since OOTP 6 and have no intentions of buying another version anytime soon, as their dev team is one of the worst around. 2) 1-100 ratings are for noobs that want things spelled out for them. 1-10 is better, 2-8 is best. 3) That Mark Prior thing can't be serious, can it? He was once a great pitcher so he was rated as a beast. Now he's a fringe player, so he's rated as a fringe player. What do you expect it to do? You were right about one thing, though. It's tough to say how good a team is without seeing the ratings. So congrats! You're 1/4.. still doing better than Mark Kotsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 We're going to be updating to the newest OOTP each year so it will keep things at least closer to the actual goings-on in MLB. I've never played Out of the Park and it's not a requirement to get it so I doubt I will be. The league is going to pretty much be in lock step with what happens in MLB in terms of timeline (other than maybe rushing through spring training a little this season because we got off to a late start) with the first year player draft taking place after the end of the year so we're not drafting guys that don't end up signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 3, 2011 -> 07:55 PM) There is so much wrong with this post. 1) 6.5 was great, but far from perfect. Recent versions of the game have been better (improved game engine, better development, more realistic progressions). That being said, I've bought it yearly since OOTP 6 and have no intentions of buying another version anytime soon, as their dev team is one of the worst around. 2) 1-100 ratings are for noobs that want things spelled out for them. 1-10 is better, 2-8 is best. 3) That Mark Prior thing can't be serious, can it? He was once a great pitcher so he was rated as a beast. Now he's a fringe player, so he's rated as a fringe player. What do you expect it to do? You were right about one thing, though. It's tough to say how good a team is without seeing the ratings. So congrats! You're 1/4.. still doing better than Mark Kotsay. There is so much wrong with my post? There's so much wrong with your passion for a simulated baseball game. Relax, champ. 1) 6.5 was perfect for me, I enjoyed it. 2) fine, I'm a noob, I was never able to go professional and I'm still upset about that. 3) the Mark Prior statement was a joke. That would put me at 2/4, I'll take .500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I like 6.5 as well. The other versions have more bells and whistles, but 6.5 works fine for me. 1-10 allows for more mystery and is easier to calculate than 1-100, but either is fine. I've never used 2-8, but I guess it could be good as well. . . . First of all, since you (Tom) haven't played OOTP before, you'll find that it is almost impossible to stay "lock-step" with MLB because of OOTP's randomness. Secondly, if you wait until after the season to draft, you run the risk of your drafted players' development being stunted in your minors. Thirdly, if you're not using actual players on their actual rosters, how is it truly "lock-step"? Lastly, if your commish is deciding to play games day by day and do transactions day by day, I can forsee a burn out by members by the All-Star break. It's way too much work and can get extremely tedious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 Lock-step in terms that our league will move at the same pace as the actual MLB. Perhaps I'm using the term improperly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (TomPickle @ Jan 3, 2011 -> 09:50 PM) Lock-step in terms that our league will move at the same pace as the actual MLB. Perhaps I'm using the term improperly. See my last point. If it moves that slowly, you will get a lot of bored owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 3, 2011 -> 08:58 PM) See my last point. If it moves that slowly, you will get a lot of bored owners. I agree, the most active league I've ever been a part of use to sim 10-15 games three to four times a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (chwhtsox @ Jan 3, 2011 -> 10:02 PM) I agree, the most active league I've ever been a part of use to sim 10-15 games three to four times a week. Also, people and commishes have real lives, so you're not going to get 31 guys/gals to be available every night for transactions and simming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 aww i miss our sim league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (T R U @ Jan 4, 2011 -> 04:07 AM) aww i miss our sim league Was it really 6 years ago? As for Mark Prior being dominant, he had nothing on Can O' Corn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 4, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) Was it really 6 years ago? As for Mark Prior being dominant, he had nothing on Can O' Corn Yeah, the joke behind the Prior comment is that back when I played, every roster that came out, years after he was good (turned dog s***) he was rated as an absolute beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkfan Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 4, 2011 -> 01:45 AM) Its impossible to tell without studying the entire league and seeing how the relative ratings work. Even then you would have to wait a season or two to see how the actual settings were (home run heavy, etc). That being said, ask 2 different people and youll get 2 different answers. agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 soxtalk should make another one, id be down....i was in one like 6 years ago too idk how i got into it but the guy who ran it was marty larghe or somethin like that, thats no one here right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I've only played Baseball Mogul, I've always wondered if I wanted to get into OOTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I have OOTP 11, and I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Using ZiPS projections: Lineup: I had to move around some IP to get to 1420 total IP (accounting for some road losses). Starters: Adam Wainwright: 214 IP, 2.85 ERA = 68 runs John Danks: 200 IP, 3.82 ERA = 85 runs Ricky Nolasco: 188 IP, 3.78 ERA = 79 runs Jake Westbrook: 183 IP, 4.11 ERA = 84 Tim Stauffer: 182 IP, 4.16 = 84 runs Relievers: Brad Bergesen: 100 IP, 5.09 ERA = 57 runs Louis Coleman: 68 IP, 3.97 ERA = 30 runs Alberto Arias: 55 IP, 4.12 ERA = 25 runs Robinson Tejada: 59 IP, 3.66 ERA = 24 runs J.P. Howell: 61 IP, 3.12 ERA = 21 runs Matt Thornton: 59 IP, 2.91 ERA = 19 runs Rafael Soriano: 53 IP, 2.91 ERA = 17 runs 593 earned runs allowed + 60 unearned runs = 653 runs allowed Pythagorean win percentage: 60.9% Pythagorean win record: 98-64 I was bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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