So your company wants to give you a promotion...

[southsider2k5]

That is correct.

 

In a negotiation though, if you give me an offer, and I reject and counteroffer, and you reject my counteroffer, than that counteroffer is no longer valid.

 

Secondly, when you're negotiating, a party is basically allowed to bluff once. If you call their bluff and they get caught, they lose and usually have to make a good faith effort to meet your request. However, if a party gets caught twice bluffing, that is an extreme show of bad faith and that is when the other party will usually walk away or actually increase their demands. It's the only manner in which to cause a detriment to bad faith in negotiations.

 

I know you guys are saying that's all well and great, but a job is a job and you have to make a living. And I can understand that position. It's just not going to cause me to accept a position where the pros and cons come in around even.

 

All I ( and I think everyone else) is saying is that you don't control the deck. I know they haven't been honest, but they control the work environment. Be careful.

[iamshack]

All I ( and I think everyone else) is saying is that you don't control the deck. I know they haven't been honest, but they control the work environment. Be careful.

Yeah, and I appreciate the advice. I wouldn't be asking for it otherwise. I hope no one mistakes my comments for being unappreciative.

 

This is just the way I am though...I'm going to stand up for what I believe in, and I think I am being reasonable in doing so.

 

The rest will sort itself out.

[iamshack]

And just to add some context to this for you guys, yesterday morning, almost immediately after I declined their initial offer and counteroffered, my biggest natural gas generator tripped offline.

 

I basically spent $65k in the next three hours keeping the northern half of Nevada's power on. Had I not been as good at my job as I am, or been able to call in the favors I did because of the relationships I've formed, I could have easily spent double that amount. Also, if I had not been as fast as I had been, we could have gone into an emergency, been forced to shed load, and that would have REALLY cost us money in fines and public perception, etc.

 

So after I did that, they come right back and start fighting me over a few thousand dollars over the course of a year? Just a bit ridiculous.

 

 

[NorthSideSox72]

And just to add some context to this for you guys, yesterday morning, almost immediately after I declined their initial offer and counteroffered, my biggest natural gas generator tripped offline.

 

I basically spent $65k in the next three hours keeping the northern half of Nevada's power on. Had I not been as good at my job as I am, or been able to call in the favors I did because of the relationships I've formed, I could have easily spent double that amount. Also, if I had not been as fast as I had been, we could have gone into an emergency, been forced to shed load, and that would have REALLY cost us money in fines and public perception, etc.

 

So after I did that, they come right back and start fighting me over a few thousand dollars over the course of a year? Just a bit ridiculous.

If you haven't already, you should definitely point out that example to them.

 

[iamshack]

If you haven't already, you should definitely point out that example to them.

I did and they are aware. Thing is, they don't care, because it comes out of your pocketbooks ultimately, not theirs. What happens is your utility company pays all its fuels and power costs, and then seeks reimbursement from the Public Utility Commission. The Commission then examines the case we present and adjusts our rates we are allowed to collect from you, the consumer, accordingly.

 

So unless the PUC can clearly point out that I was negligent in how I called for our profile to be dispatched, we will be reimbursed accordingly.

 

However, if I do an outstanding job, the rates of the consumer can actually be reduced.

 

So basically, the public relies on the utility to hire good employees, but there isn't a huge benefit for the utility to do so, unless of course in the case of clear negligence, in which case they have to eat the increased costs.

 

Pretty lame, eh? This is what happens with a quasi-governmental company.

Edited January 13, 2011 by iamshack

[bigruss]

Hope it turns out good for you shack, if not I know you mentioned a different path you were interested in and hopefully and opportunity opens there.

[iamshack]

Hope it turns out good for you shack, if not I know you mentioned a different path you were interested in and hopefully and opportunity opens there.

Thanks Russ. She just called me in and said it looks like she is finally getting a little movement. I said don't kill yourself. I'm not sure it's going to matter at this point. She said I know, but I will anyways.

 

We'll see.

[nitetrain8601]

Read all the latest updates. He's not in the wrong for refusing the job offer, nor should he get fired for it. What I will say though, you may make your employer overlook you for a promotion in the future because of your previous salary demands. If they promote within and have non-negotiable as a part of that process, and now they know you want to negotiate anyway, they'll probably rather not deal with it and get someone else. You're basically burning bridges from within in my opinion. If you were simply to say, "Nah, I don't think I want this job and walk away", that would be a different thing. But the fact that you turned a non-negotiation into one, they're going to think you're a headache.