chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Since the Cubs have an extra starter in their rotation now, it might be possible to steal one away from them. I'm looking at Tom Gorzelanny. He's cheap, he's versatile, and he was pretty damn good last year. It seems like the Cubs don't like him all that much. He was dangled at the trade deadline last year, but for whatever reason, he stayed put. Gorzo can slot into the 5th spot in the rotation until Peavy returns. When Peavy returns, he can be the long or left handed middle reliever in the bullpen. It's a move that makes a lot of sense. He won't make more than a couple million this year and is arb-eligible for either two or three more seasons. As for who to send to the Cubs...at the most, you probably give away somebody like Santos Rodriguez. At the least, a couple of raw A or AA players. Gorzelanny's numbers last year: 136.1 INN, 4.09 ERA, 3.92 FIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Don't we have Pena [gulp] to fill this role? And I hate Pena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) Don't we have Pena [gulp] to fill this role? And I hate Pena. We're kind of short in the bullpen right now. Plus, Gorzelanny's an actual starter. Pena's just an emergency one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'd much rather have Sale in the 5th starter's spot than Gorzelanny until Peavy returns, both as a better starter and for his future development. However, we do need an additional lefty and an additional long-man in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) I'd much rather have Sale in the 5th starter's spot than Gorzelanny until Peavy returns, both as a better starter and for his future development. Then you lose one of your best bullpen arms for a month or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) Then you lose one of your best bullpen arms for a month or two. If Sale only pitches 70 innings this year, I'm going to think it's a serious step back in his development. I really want him to be in the rotation for at least part of the season, if only to try to keep the innings he works up. He's hit 160 innings each of the last 2 years, but those were in the minors; a normal bullpen load for him would be a real step backwards in building his arm into a major league pitcher's arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) If Sale only pitches 70 innings this year, I'm going to think it's a serious step back in his development. I really want him to be in the rotation for at least part of the season, if only to try to keep the innings he works up. He's hit 160 innings each of the last 2 years, but those were in the minors; a normal bullpen load for him would be a real step backwards in building his arm into a major league pitcher's arm. This is where you need to weigh what's best for the player and what's best for the team. The best thing for his development and long term value would be to get him some starts. The best thing for the team this year is to put him in the pen. Unless the Sox think his future is the pen, I would get him ready to start in the Spring and then see what you need when the season begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) What'd Gorzellany making in 2011? $1M+? Meh. He's cheap, but I'd rather get a bullpen arm. I'd love for the Sox to get Jeff Samardzija with the Cubs kicking most of the money, and use Samardzija in the pen as a long reliever/spot starter with Sale in AAA starting. But most of this has to do with me being a huge Notre Dame fan and being friends with the Samardzija family. Edited January 7, 2011 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) What'd Gorzellany making in 2011? $1M+? Meh. He's cheap, but I'd rather get a bullpen arm. I'd love for the Sox to get Jeff Samardzija with the Cubs kicking most of the money, and use Samardzija in the pen as a long reliever/spot starter with Sale in AAA starting. But most of this has to do with me being a huge Notre Dame fan and being friends with the Samardzija family. Gorzelanny made 800K last year. He won't make more than $2 million, I think. Edited January 7, 2011 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I don't want Tony Pena as a starter to even be a consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 How about Freddie Garcia again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) How about Freddie Garcia again? He's gonna get a decent amount of money. He's certainly not worth whatever he might get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) He's gonna get a decent amount of money. He's certainly not worth whatever he might get paid. Is anyone in professional sports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) How about Freddie Garcia again? if he wants to be a starter, he's likely to spend 2/3 of the season in the bullpen with us...and if he gets used as a starter for 1-2 months waiting for Peavy, that makes Sale have to go to the bullpen. And he's also not left handed, which is a real need for us if Thornton spends time as the closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) Is anyone in professional sports? If you think about it that way, then no. But I'm not talking about it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) If you think about it that way, then no. But I'm not talking about it that way. i know. sorry, just being a jerk smarta** today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 As a long guy it wouldn't be bad if we didn't have to give up much to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I think the Cubs will want to keep him as depth. I mean you never know what Carlos Silva is going to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 05:30 PM) As a long guy it wouldn't be bad if we didn't have to give up much to get him. Yup. He could be a Carrasco type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 If we sign Ohman, I think this would be an unnecessary deal. I would like Gorzelanny more, but I can't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Traded to the Nationals for 3 prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 17, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Traded to the Nationals for 3 prospects Only have seen 1 name the Cubs are getting back, but it's 22-year-old lefty OF Michael Burgess who put up some pretty impressive numbers in AA. I think the Cubs are going to win big in this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 17, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) Only have seen 1 name the Cubs are getting back, but it's 22-year-old lefty OF Michael Burgess who put up some pretty impressive numbers in AA. I think the Cubs are going to win big in this deal. Not really. Only 87 of Burgess' 529 PAs last year came in AA. I doubt the other two prospects are much of anything. You don't gut your farm for Tom Gorzelanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 17, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) Not really. Only 87 of Burgess' 529 PAs last year came in AA. I doubt the other two prospects are much of anything. You don't gut your farm for Tom Gorzelanny. Ok, fine, he put up pretty impressive numbers are A+ and AA last year as a 21-year-old. Guy looks legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 .781 OPS and was repeating High-A. Not a good contact rate, good walk rate, a little bit of power...he looks like a marginal prospect, perhaps a guy that could develop into a starter or left handed platoon mate at some point down the road, but hardly anything exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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