macsandz Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 The Yankees would consider swapping Joba Chamberlain, but "probably only" as part of a larger package for a "viable starter," tweets Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated. Chamberlain's name was connected to trade rumors last summer, as teams like the Diamondbacks and Blue Jays were trying to "buy low" on Chamberlain, but there was never an indication that the Yankees were seriously considering moving the right-hander. Chamberlain, 25, was rated as the third-best prospect in the sport by Baseball America before the 2008 season. His star dimmed a bit after a shaky 2009 season in the New York rotation (4.75 ERA, 4.3 BB/9 rate, a league-leading 12 hit batters), but he pitched better out of the bullpen last season, posting a 4.40 ERA, a 2.8 BB/9 rate, and a 3.5 K/BB ratio. Chamberlain is eligible for arbitration for the first time this winter and is under team control through the 2013 season. Heyman says Chamberlain will remain a reliever for the Yankees "for now." We heard last month that the club wasn't thinking of moving Chamberlain back to the rotation, but even if Chamberlain's role changed, there's no guarantee he would bring needed stability to the back end of the Bronx Bombers' rotation. Moving Chamberlain would be a win-now move on New York's part, but given the team's fruitless pursuit of Cliff Lee and Andy Pettitte's lean towards retirement, the Yankees may be so uncomfortable with their starting pitching that they feel dealing an asset like Chamberlain is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 "Freeing up money" doesn't help the Sox win games this season, I'd just like to note that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 And you'd be assuming Peavy will be ready to go early on in the season. I'd only consider it if the Yankees were willing to swap Rosario for Flowers as well, or chuck in a couple of nice prospects in with Joba the Hutt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 No Thanks! Jackson is my wildcard for 2011. I think he will have a Jon Garland 2005 type season for us. I was really impressed with his pitch selection, location and execution last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 11:20 AM) No Thanks! Jackson is my wildcard for 2011. I think he will have a Jon Garland 2005 type season for us. I was really impressed with his pitch selection, location and execution last year. i agree w/ this. I don't think Joba is anything special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 10:15 AM) "Freeing up money" doesn't help the Sox win games this season, I'd just like to note that again. It gives them flexibility to either pick up a starter if Jake can't go or allows them to take on at the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (beckham15 @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 10:25 AM) i agree w/ this. I don't think Joba is anything special. Joba has dominant closer stuff and with the signing of Soriano is expendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 11:36 AM) It gives them flexibility to either pick up a starter if Jake can't go or allows them to take on at the trade deadline. why do that when you could just plug sale in the rotation till jake gets healthy in the first place? besides our bullpen seems pretty decent right now as it is. adding joba while subtracting jackson would hurt us more than it would help us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JorgeFabregas Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) It gives them flexibility to either pick up a starter if Jake can't go or allows them to take on at the trade deadline. Trade a starter so that they have the opportunity to pick up an inferior starter. Sounds great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) Joba has dominant closer stuff and with the signing of Soriano is expendable. im a believer in that you have to have a certain mindset to close we dont even know if chamberlain has that he only has 4 saves in his career. Last season he gave up 71 hits in 71 2/3 innings pitched w/ a 4.40 ERA. Those numbers don't have closer written all over them Edited January 15, 2011 by beckham15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Edwin Jackson could be our best pitcher. If Joba was worth anything the Yanks wouldn't be spending about what the Sox spending on Konerko for a set-up man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 05:15 PM) "Freeing up money" doesn't help the Sox win games this season, I'd just like to note that again. I agree we seem to have some stuck on this "freeing up dollars" kick. We then start making trade ideas that don't do anything for us. Joba the Hut's "star started to dim in 2008" and w want to give up bunches to get this falling star? Makes no sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 BTW, our bullpen right now is set up as: Thornton Sale Ohman Pena Crain Santos Infante Like the kids or not...Infante belongs in the bullpen this year. He had a solid year last year and got himself up to the big leagues. Replacing him with Joba is probably at best a marginal upgrade, just because there's a lot of additional depth out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) And you'd be assuming Peavy will be ready to go early on in the season. I'd only consider it if the Yankees were willing to swap Rosario for Flowers as well, or chuck in a couple of nice prospects in with Joba the Hutt. Garcia woud be a better choice for the extra starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) It gives them flexibility to either pick up a starter if Jake can't go or allows them to take on at the trade deadline. please list all these starters that are magically there for the taking if the Sox "free up" some money, don't you think the NYY would be all over them and not praying a guy at the tail end of his career comes back? Also, if you wait for the trade deadline the NYY will flat-out be able to absorb terrible contracts from teams if there's a good SP available, it will give them a leg up over basically any other team going for SP at the deadline. It doesn't even have to be the bad contract of the SP they get, they could take an expensive vet and just stick him on the bench or flip him to another team while eating the money. Edited January 15, 2011 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 How does trading a potential #2 or #3 starter for an arbitration-eligible reliever who sported a 4.40 ERA in 2010 make us better in 2011?? Joba may have great stuff and potential but so does Jackson. Jackson also has a much better track record at the major league level than Joba. Throw in the fact that we're talking about the value a starter would provide us to that of a reliever and I see no reason to make this trade. As for freeing up money for the trade deadline, you have to get there first while remaining competitive which will be much harder to do when you significantly weaken your team. I get it, we probably overpaid for Jackson, but that doesn't mean he can't be a key contributor to our team this year. The guy easily could be our best starter in 2011. I wouldn't trade him or any other starter unless our team clearly got better at the major league level which would be very hard to accomplish. Unfortunately, I think some people here are so angry that we traded away Dan Hudson that they want to get rid of Jackson to somehow erase the pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I edited the title slightly. It made me jump - in a bad way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 11:35 AM) I edited the title slightly. It made me jump - in a bad way. haha, a little too late for me on the change! I checked it half awake and almost had a heart attack, only thing that prevented it was that it was already 2 pages and not pinned. A little off topic, but I think a strong argument can be made that Joba is the poster child for an ESPN East Coast Bias Creation. Don't get me wrong, Joba had/has excellent potential, but the way ESPN jammed him down our throats with countless hours of "start or relief" debates, the Joba Rules, and bottom line updates every time he sneezed, seemed completely ridiculous and over-the-top. I don't know, maybe it was one I focused on so it seemed more ridiculous than others. Edited January 15, 2011 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 There really is no point in freeing up money when we don't need anymore pieces on the team besides a possible 5th starter and a better 4th outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 11:46 AM) There really is no point in freeing up money when we don't need anymore pieces on the team besides a possible 5th starter and a better 4th outfielder. There is always a reason to free up money if you can - especially with guys like Danks & CQ arb-eligible. And the Sox need a closer whether that's Joba or someone else. Edited January 15, 2011 by bucket-of-suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I wouldn't mind a deal like this if it was Joba+, and then turn around and re-sign Freddy. But granted, I'm not as confident in Edwin as a lot of people seem to be. I think Joba could thrive outside of New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 12:31 PM) There is always a reason to free up money if you can - especially with guys like Danks & CQ arb-eligible. And the Sox need a closer whether that's Joba or someone else. We're talking about this year. Quentin and Danks probably won't make more than $12 million combined. Jackson's good as gone next season, so there's no point in freeing up money when he's gone anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Not saying I would trade Jackson for Joba, but for those saying definitely no please keep in mind Chamberlain has 3 more team controlled years before he hits free agency while Jackson has one. And he's A LOT cheaper at the moment. That's a big factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 15, 2011 -> 01:01 PM) We're talking about this year. Quentin and Danks probably won't make more than $12 million combined. Jackson's good as gone next season, so there's no point in freeing up money when he's gone anyways. Yeah, but if you trade for him and he becomes at least competent [obviously you shoot for more], that's a cheap, under team control SP for the next two years after this one. And yes, I only trade for him if you're committed to putting him in the rotation. Edited January 15, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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