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Albert Pujols' extension - Cards fail to extend by deadline


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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:16 PM)
I get what you are saying about the Yanks & BoSox, but I would still never count them out. A combination of Tex/AGon & Pujols at 1B/DH. I think they could convince one of the guys to play more DH.

 

It's not that. I just don't think either would shell out $30 million a year for 10 years for what would be a luxury for them. I can't even see the Yankees sporting a $250 million dollar payroll.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 02:19 AM)
It's not that. I just don't think either would shell out $30 million a year for 10 years for what would be a luxury for them. I can't even see the Yankees sporting a $250 million dollar payroll.

 

The funny thing is that the Cubs could spend that 30 million a hell of a lot better than using it on Pujols.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:20 PM)
The funny thing is that the Cubs could spend that 30 million a hell of a lot better than using it on Pujols.

 

Funny thing is I wouldn't care if he went to the Cubs. They've got so many holes and the most immovable contract (yes, I know Wells got moved. But I don't see anybody touching Soriano) in baseball. They wouldn't be able to put a decent enough cast around Pujols to win anything.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:51 PM)
As long as he stays out of the AL I'm cool. I still think they'll work something out. And another thing, am I the only person that gets really f***ing annoyed when I read s*** like Pujols is "perhaps" baseballs best player or "probably" the best player of his genertation? There is no f***ing perhaps or probably. It's like saying Jordan was probably the best player of his era. Albert Pujols is WITHOUT QUESTION the best player of the last decade. Nobody is close. Not Mauer. Not Cabrera. Not Carlos Gonzalez. Nobody.

Mark Kotsay is damn close.

 

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 09:07 PM)
What AL team could afford to add a $30 million dollar a year player to their roster? The Yankees and Red Sox are just fine at 1B. And I don't even think they would or could open up their wallets for Albert. Tigers? No. Maybe the Angels? And they just took on the most ridiculous contract in baseball.

I'd bet that the Yankees and Red Sox would still try to go after Albert if he hits the market. It's Albert Pujols, luxury or not those type of franchises aren't going to pass up having the best player in the game if they have their choice. That being said, I don't see Pujols going to either of those teams, I still think he'll be back in St. Louis but if not, the Angels would be my 2nd guess. Oh, and he's not going to the Cubs, that's not happening.

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Funny thing is I wouldn't care if he went to the Cubs. They've got so many holes and the most immovable contract (yes, I know Wells got moved. But I don't see anybody touching Soriano) in baseball. They wouldn't be able to put a decent enough cast around Pujols to win anything.

 

Even if they were able too they have that window of 5-6 years during the life of the contract when they would get the most value. I can't see Pujols being effective after age 38 but hey some DH types are still mashin the ball a little bit (Thome comes to mind). I think another idea might be to front load the contract for whoever signs him. The 10 year thing should be club options though.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:20 PM)
The funny thing is that the Cubs could spend that 30 million a hell of a lot better than using it on Pujols.

 

Sure. Which is exactly why they would spend it on Pujols.

 

I'll say it today. Albert Pujols will never have a World Series ring after he signs his next contract.

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QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:30 PM)
Even if they were able too they have that window of 5-6 years during the life of the contract when they would get the most value. I can't see Pujols being effective after age 38 but hey some DH types are still mashin the ball a little bit (Thome comes to mind). I think another idea might be to front load the contract for whoever signs him. The 10 year thing should be club options though.

 

Thome doesn't play the field. And I've heard nothing that would suggest Pujols being alright with being a full-time DH.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:32 PM)
Sure. Which is exactly why they would spend it on Pujols.

 

I'll say it today. Albert Pujols will never have a World Series ring after he signs his next contract.

 

I agree completely. Baseball isn't basketball or even football (the QB) in which one guy can make THAT big a difference.

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The more I think about it, the more I think Pujols will end up in Toronto.

 

With how the Blue Jays cleared out salary space by getting rid of Halladay, Rios, and Wells, I think Toronto might actually pull the trigger on signing the best player in baseball to the 300 million/10 year contract he wants.

 

To me, Toronto is definitely a dark horse candidate.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:19 PM)
It's not that. I just don't think either would shell out $30 million a year for 10 years for what would be a luxury for them. I can't even see the Yankees sporting a $250 million dollar payroll.

 

I see what you are saying. It's just the way they throw money around, I just can't say never for them, especially when it's the best player of the era we are talking about.

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I've seen people throw Toronto into the equation since getting rid of the Wells contract. I do have a few problems with that though. First and foremost, the Blue Jays, even if they are looking better, still look nothing like a contender and success in the near future is not guaranteed. Secondly, getting rid of a monstrosity of a contract for another monstrosity of a contract isn't exactly good practice. Finally, there is the whole aspect of going to Canada, which Pujols may or may not mind.

 

The Blue Jays do have the ability to free up like $30 million after this year too, mostly through the expiring contracts of relievers, so they could conceivably sign him and then have some money left over to give raises and bring in a couple other players as well.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 09:19 PM)
I've seen people throw Toronto into the equation since getting rid of the Wells contract. I do have a few problems with that though. First and foremost, the Blue Jays, even if they are looking better, still look nothing like a contender and success in the near future is not guaranteed. Secondly, getting rid of a monstrosity of a contract for another monstrosity of a contract isn't exactly good practice. Finally, there is the whole aspect of going to Canada, which Pujols may or may not mind.

 

The Blue Jays do have the ability to free up like $30 million after this year too, mostly through the expiring contracts of relievers, so they could conceivably sign him and then have some money left over to give raises and bring in a couple other players as well.

 

I just don't think he'd go to Canada. The Jays have a loaded farm system that should even get better with all the picks they have this year. I think they'd be able to put a sufficient amount of talent around him. But again, Albert ain't goin' to Canada.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 08:32 PM)
Sure. Which is exactly why they would spend it on Pujols.

 

I'll say it today. Albert Pujols will never have a World Series ring after he signs his next contract.

 

At least he has one already, but I'd agree with you. If he was interested in becoming a DH, I'm sure the Yankees would gladly make room for him in that role, even close to 30 million per year.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 09:37 PM)
I saw some people suggesting KC for Pujols, which in all honesty makes just as much sense as him going to Chicago.

 

He attended Maple Woods Community College in the Kansas City area in spring of 1999. In his only college season, Pujols hit a grand slam and turned an unassisted triple play in his first game.[9] He batted .461 for the year.

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As great as Albert is, this makes no business sense. You've got to assume at some point there will be a decline and/or significant missed time with injuries.

 

Baseball teams slay me with what they will pay guys. 30 mill a year for 10 years? My god. He's not going to be guaranteed to be special at the ages 37 to 41.

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QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 09:43 PM)
He attended Maple Woods Community College in the Kansas City area in spring of 1999. In his only college season, Pujols hit a grand slam and turned an unassisted triple play in his first game.[9] He batted .461 for the year.

 

Was there ever a reason why he was passed by every team 604 times in the draft? I'll never understand that

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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:22 PM)
Was there ever a reason why he was passed by every team 604 times in the draft? I'll never understand that

 

Here is a quote from a Red Sox scout who liked him before the draft...

His body wasn't great back then. Plus, people weren't sure how old the guy was. You assumed what he told you was true, but he wasn't a great body, and his swing was a little long.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds..._that_got_away/

 

Also seems like there were some signability issues to go along with that. He wanted a 6-figure bonus and there were some threats of him playing elsewhere. He actually spurned the Cardinals initial offer of $10k and said he was going to play elsewhere when they increased their offer to $60k. Not a bad investment for $60k.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:42 PM)
Here is a quote from a Red Sox scout who liked him before the draft...

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds..._that_got_away/

 

His body wasn't great back then? Hmmm, considering what the looks like now, I think thats another issue that comes up with a long-term contract. Had he been juicing at all? If so, is he still juicing now? If he is now, is he gonna keep juicing during the full length of the contract? All those questions could have a profound effect on how he ages through the length of the contract as well.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 08:24 AM)
His body wasn't great back then? Hmmm, considering what the looks like now, I think thats another issue that comes up with a long-term contract. Had he been juicing at all? If so, is he still juicing now? If he is now, is he gonna keep juicing during the full length of the contract? All those questions could have a profound effect on how he ages through the length of the contract as well.

His body wasn't great in the sense that he was thought to be overweight at the time. Think Dayan Viciedo.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 14, 2011 -> 07:36 AM)
His body wasn't great in the sense that he was thought to be overweight at the time. Think Dayan Viciedo.

 

Oh, understood. Either way, I still don't think you can look at him and be 100% positive that he's not on HGH or anything. That's something that has to be thought about when you are giving away so much money, even if people don't like to talk about it.

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