ScottyDo Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 9, 2011 -> 06:59 PM) A major league contract means he's immediately placed on the 40 man roster which means if he's going to be spending time in the minors for a few years you're going to burn through his options, some draft picks (Porcello, Andrew Miller) negotiate this into their first pro contract to get them to the majors and to free agency quicker. A minor league contract means he doesn't have to be placed on the 40 and can spend time in the minors without burning options, its far more beneficial to the club since they don't even have to think about putting the player on the 40 until they become rule V eligible 4 or 5 years down the line depending upon their age when signed. If you sign a player to a minor league contract at age 18 he could spend upwards of 8 years in the minors (7 years if he's 19+) without having to pass through waivers, if that same player is signed to a major league deal it's a max of 3 years. Gotcha. Good synopsis. I guess I didn't think about it in that light because he clearly needs to be on the 40 right now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Mar 9, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) Gotcha. Good synopsis. I guess I didn't think about it in that light because he clearly needs to be on the 40 right now anyway. That really wasn't a choice anyway. Someone was giving Dayan a major league deal. If we wanted him, we had to match that at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Kenny needs to work non-stop on unloading Teahen to make room for Dayan. Viciedo is gonna be the starting RF next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 04:18 AM) Kenny needs to work non-stop on unloading Teahen to make room for Dayan. Viciedo is gonna be the starting RF next year. I would say if he is going to be the starting left fielder next year and we have control of him for 6 more years wouldn't you want him to play everyday in triple A so he learns the position and he can become the type of player we need next year? I say he goes down and of course can be a call up if an injury occurs. Otherwise giving him 8 at bats a week as a 4th outfielder really doesnt help the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (quickman @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 06:31 AM) I would say if he is going to be the starting left fielder next year and we have control of him for 6 more years wouldn't you want him to play everyday in triple A so he learns the position and he can become the type of player we need next year? I say he goes down and of course can be a call up if an injury occurs. Otherwise giving him 8 at bats a week as a 4th outfielder really doesnt help the kid. That is how I feel about it. If he isn't getting at least 25 Abs a week, send him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (quickman @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 06:31 AM) I would say if he is going to be the starting left fielder next year and we have control of him for 6 more years wouldn't you want him to play everyday in triple A so he learns the position and he can become the type of player we need next year? I say he goes down and of course can be a call up if an injury occurs. Otherwise giving him 8 at bats a week as a 4th outfielder really doesnt help the kid. I don't think he will be the left fielder. With Pierre gone who will be Ozzie"s "leadoff" guy? You know how Ozzie likes that type at the top of the order. I don't think that person is on the team so KW will need to find him one. I do think that he will be in right unless CQ straightens himself out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 05:42 PM) Unless CQ straightens himself out. Which is HIGHLY possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 10:42 AM) I don't think he will be the left fielder. With Pierre gone who will be Ozzie"s "leadoff" guy? You know how Ozzie likes that type at the top of the order. I don't think that person is on the team so KW will need to find him one. I do think that he will be in right unless CQ straightens himself out. yes right, I should have clarified, any outfield postion. My point was that he needs to learn to play the position, right or left and a year in the minors wokring on that is the best option, unless we trade CQ. The sox really need to make Ramirez a leadoff hitter, if mitchell cannot be ready which I assume he wont be. ( talking about next year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (quickman @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 10:57 AM) yes right, I should have clarified, any outfield postion. My point was that he needs to learn to play the position, right or left and a year in the minors wokring on that is the best option, unless we trade CQ. The sox really need to make Ramirez a leadoff hitter, if mitchell cannot be ready which I assume he wont be. ( talking about next year) I just don't see us having a guy with enough OBP to satisfy most of us at leadoff for next year. If we use Ramirez everyone will be upset that he doesn't get on enough. Without a trade, we're looking at Rios Beckham Dunn or Ramirez Beckham Dunn or Ramirez Rios Beckham Dunn PK- if Viciedo and CQ are our two corners next year. Maybe Morel takes ROY with a .365 OBP and the problem solves itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Or maybe you can just have Beckham lead off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) Or maybe you can just have Beckham lead off. Ultimately, I wouldn't mind seeing Beckham-Morel as your 1-2 punch. They won't be your typical speed duo, but I think that is overrated. Gimme OBP at the top over speed. By ultimately I mean in 2012. Edited March 10, 2011 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Ultimately, I wouldn't mind seeing Beckham-Morel as your 1-2 punch. They won't be your typical speed duo, but I think that is overrated. Gimme OBP at the top over speed. By ultimately I mean in 2012. Call me crazy but I still Becks as a #3 hitter someday. But I look forward to a good year out of him in the 2 hole as long as Ozzie doesn't have him bunting too much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Texas announcers saying that Viciedo has a fractured right thumb after getting hit by a pitch. I guess that solves that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Mar 9, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) There's no out clause in Viciedo's contract, once it runs out after next year he'll still be a pre arb player. He's White Sox property for at least 6 more years and if he spends most of 2011 in the minors he'll be under Sox control through 2017. Ah, I stand corrected. And happily so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I don't think he will be the left fielder. With Pierre gone who will be Ozzie"s "leadoff" guy? You know how Ozzie likes that type at the top of the order. I don't think that person is on the team so KW will need to find him one. I do think that he will be in right unless CQ straightens himself out. For a player of Viciedo´s speed and athletic ability which corner is harder to play and patrol? Left or Right? I mean he has come into ST in far better shape than previous years and has a supposed cannon for an arm. What thinks ye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) For a player of Viciedo´s speed and athletic ability which corner is harder to play and patrol? Left or Right? I mean he has come into ST in far better shape than previous years and has a supposed cannon for an arm. What thinks ye? With his arm I think right is the better fit, but i think he could play either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) For a player of Viciedo´s speed and athletic ability which corner is harder to play and patrol? Left or Right? I mean he has come into ST in far better shape than previous years and has a supposed cannon for an arm. What thinks ye? In a neutral environment, the corners are equal with left field being slightly busier than right field due to the increased number of right handed hitters in the league. There are preferences though. You want your right fielder to have a stronger arm to keep runners from going 1st to 3rd, so that's where the Sox want Viciedo to play. And due to the increased number of flyballs, you would generally prefer your LFer to have good range, but first and foremost you want him to be a good offensive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 In a neutral environment, the corners are equal with left field being slightly busier than right field due to the increased number of right handed hitters in the league. There are preferences though. You want your right fielder to have a stronger arm to keep runners from going 1st to 3rd, so that's where the Sox want Viciedo to play. And due to the increased number of flyballs, you would generally prefer your LFer to have good range, but first and foremost you want him to be a good offensive player. I guess from a tactical point of view RF would be his more natural position if you could call it that. The question then becomes what do youdo with CQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) I guess from a tactical point of view RF would be his more natural position if you could call it that. The question then becomes what do youdo with CQ? There's a reasonable chance Quentin gets non-tendered this season if he's any worse than he was last year. If he comes out and rakes the ball...Quentin/Rios/Viciedo next year might not be the best defensive OF in history, but it could be one of the best offensive OF's in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 There's a reasonable chance Quentin gets non-tendered this season if he's any worse than he was last year. If he comes out and rakes the ball...Quentin/Rios/Viciedo next year might not be the best defensive OF in history, but it could be one of the best offensive OF's in the game. If it were not for the terrible injury last year, I would have pegged Jared Mitchell for one of the corner spots, oh well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) If it were not for the terrible injury last year, I would have pegged Jared Mitchell for one of the corner spots, oh well.. I'd doubt he'd be ready for a corner OF spot even if he had stayed healthy...he was believed to be very raw coming out of college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) If he comes out and rakes the ball...Quentin/Rios/Viciedo next year might not be the best defensive OF in history, but it could be one of the best offensive OF's in the game. At the very least, I don't think that Quentin/Viciedo would be that much worse defensively than Maggs/Lee. I'll gladly take the defensive hit in the corners for those bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 03:59 PM) There's a reasonable chance Quentin gets non-tendered this season if he's any worse than he was last year. If he comes out and rakes the ball...Quentin/Rios/Viciedo next year might not be the best defensive OF in history, but it could be one of the best offensive OF's in the game. Knowing Ozzie, I really doubt that Viciedo would take over RF with Quentin moving to LF. He gives precedent to the veteran and I would imagine that Viciedo plays LF. Of course, that's if Quentin is with the Sox tomorrow. I tend to doubt it, but maybe he has a great year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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