Bears versus Packers game thread

[StrangeSox]

And people tear things all the time. You tear connective tissue and ligament fibers from stretching alone. Just because there was tearing, doesn't mean it was some terribly debilitating injury.

 

Ultimately, none of us will know, because we are not Jay. But jeesh, as Ptatc mentioned, they certainly didn't seem to concerned about treating him on the sidelines.

 

They cared enough to pull him from the game.

[fathom]

There is a LONG list of guys who have played a variety of sports with ligament tears in their knee. I'm not going to get into the s*** throwing fest that some are engaged in throughout this thread, but that's just the truth.

 

And that's what Cutler's legacy with this game is going to have to contend with. It's a weird situation, as Cutler's only chance of ending the controversy sooner rather than later was to have an actual major injury (including surgery), but this news is better for the Bears in the long run.

[SoxFan1]

He drives a Dodge Charger, its registered with the Big Ten. Come on, do a google search!!! ;-)

Thats just what he's driving this week.

[fathom]

And people tear things all the time. You tear connective tissue and ligament fibers from stretching alone. Just because there was tearing, doesn't mean it was some terribly debilitating injury.

 

Ultimately, none of us will know, because we are not Jay. But jeesh, as Ptatc mentioned, they certainly didn't seem to concerned about treating him on the sidelines.

 

Well said

[Chi Town Sox]

Terrelle Pryor played 4 games including a BCS game with a ligament tear in his knee, and ran for 220 yards with it as well.

 

/OSU plug

 

Then he drove off from the stadium in his free SUV on 20 inch rims.

 

way too small

[RockRaines]

way too small

True, my stock JGC came with 20's on it. Gotta go 24's on an SUV.

[BigSqwert]

And people tear things all the time. You tear connective tissue and ligament fibers from stretching alone. Just because there was tearing, doesn't mean it was some terribly debilitating injury.

 

Ultimately, none of us will know, because we are not Jay. But jeesh, as Ptatc mentioned, they certainly didn't seem to concerned about treating him on the sidelines.

 

As evidenced by him walking around the sidelines seemingly healthy.

[ptatc]

They are defending Cutler and bashing the Bears PR for allowing Lovie to use the word Sprain instead of partial tear.

 

they have to defend Cutler because they praised the Bears for getting rid of Orton and getting Cutler. They will do it to the end.

 

The important aspects are:

 

It is a ligament SPRAIN. A strain is what you do to a muscle.

 

A sprain can be anything from a slight stretch (first degree) to a total tear (3rd degree).

 

It's obvious from his care on the field that the sprain was a second degree. Enough tearing to cause some instability but not enough to require a brace and immobility. A player can play with this.

 

However, it's also apparent that the Coach determined that it was bad enough that it was having a negative effect on his play.

 

You cannot blame Cutler for the choice the coach made. If the coach felt that it was effecting him too much, he pulled him.

 

It was also obvious that Cutler was having an really awful game so it was a combination of play and injury that made Lovie pull him.

 

[fathom]

Ptatc brings up a good point...did they ever try a brace on the knee? Also, did Lovie mention what play is took place on?

[MexSoxFan#1]

I'll take back what I said yesterday about Cutler being a p**** and a quitter, I was drunk and angry ...

Cutler has shown that he can take a beating so a wuss he's not.Unless he got hurt on the first snap, what we did see is Cutler failing miserably vs the Packers, again.

[SoxFan1]

Ptatc brings up a good point...did they ever try a brace on the knee? Also, did Lovie mention what play is took place on?

Cutler didn't even know on which play it happened, so how would Lovie? All they know was that it was one of the last 2 drives of the 1st half.

[Middle Buffalo]

Kind of funny that his critics (Dilfer, Hassleback, et al) constantly criticize his mechanics, but they want him to play through an injury that wouldn't have allowed him to plant when he threw.

 

[whitesoxfan101]

Kind of funny that his critics (Dilfer, Hassleback, et al) constantly criticize his mechanics, but they want him to play through an injury that wouldn't have allowed him to plant when he threw.

 

Haha there aren't many QB's in the league who would be less affected by an inability to plant when throwing than Cutler.

Edited January 24, 2011 by whitesoxfan101

[iamshack]

Haha there aren't many QB's in the league who would be less affected by an inability to plant when throwing than Cutler.

I know you say this half-joking, but it's actually true. If there was anyone who could go out there and play effectively just off his arm strength alone, it would be Jay Cutler.

[DrunkBomber]

A lot of the people who have been on Cutlers side of this have been very critical of the people questioning the injury. However, there is a total flip flop going on in their argument. It started off saying how tough he has been and if he says he is too hurt than we have to take his word for it. Then once the MRI results come back and guys like ptatc are saying that in his opinion its a second degree sprain (not calling you out, just using your expertise to prove a point) and isnt an injury that cant be played through that now the excuse is that there is nothing he can do because the coaches/doctors kept him out.

 

There is an enormous difference between being too hurt to play and being capable of playing and being held out by the coaches. Considering he went in the first series in the 2nd half the largest factor in him remaining in the game would be based on how he said he felt.

 

Now Im not doubting the injury and theres no way to know what kind of pain he was in or how much the decision to pull him was injury and how much was performance. But all the people who are s***ting all over people upset about this need to realize that this injury is something can be played through and its been proven many times. Lovie Smith didnt say he pulled him because he was playing bad, he said it was because of the injury. Do you honestly not think if Jay came in after the first series in the 2nd half and said to Lovie "Its sore but Im fine, I can play through it" that he would have stayed in the game?

Edited January 24, 2011 by DrunkBomber

[SoxFan1]

I know you say this half-joking, but it's actually true. If there was anyone who could go out there and play effectively just off his arm strength alone, it would be Jay Cutler.

And as soon as he made a poor throw people would be all over him, saying he sucked and that he's "Bad Jay." Come on.

[iamshack]

A lot of the people who have been on Cutlers side of this have been very critical of the people questioning the injury. However, there is a total flip flop going on in their argument. It started off saying how tough he has been and if he says he is too hurt than we have to take his word for it. Then once the MRI results come back and guys like ptatc are saying that in his opinion its s second degree sprain (not calling you out, just using your expertise to prove a point) and isnt an injury that cant be played through that now the excuse is that there is nothing he can do because the coaches/doctors kept him out.

 

There is an enormous difference between being too hurt to play and being capable of playing and being held out by the coaches. Considering he went in the first series in the 2nd half the largest factor in him remaining in the game would be based on how he said he felt.

 

Now Im not doubting the injury and theres no way to know what kind of pain he was in or how much the decision to pull him was injury and how much was performance. But all the people who are s***ting all over people upset about this need to realize that this injury is something can be played and its been proven many times. Lovie Smith didnt say he pulled him because he was playing bad, he said it was because of the injury. Do you honestly not think if Jay came in after the first series in the 2nd half and said to Lovie "Its sore but Im fine, I can play through it" that he would have stayed in the game?

And this is where the attitude and the moping and sulking come in. I just sort of worry that he capitulated because of the way the game was going when he might not have had things been going better.

 

And if that is truly the case, he's not the guy I want as my quarterback.

 

Not saying that I know that is the case. Just saying that I fear it was.

[bmags]

It's not just pain, it's your knee giving out on you.

[whitesoxfan101]

A lot of the people who have been on Cutlers side of this have been very critical of the people questioning the injury. However, there is a total flip flop going on in their argument. It started off saying how tough he has been and if he says he is too hurt than we have to take his word for it. Then once the MRI results come back and guys like ptatc are saying that in his opinion its s second degree sprain (not calling you out, just using your expertise to prove a point) and isnt an injury that cant be played through that now the excuse is that there is nothing he can do because the coaches/doctors kept him out.

 

There is an enormous difference between being too hurt to play and being capable of playing and being held out by the coaches. Considering he went in the first series in the 2nd half the largest factor in him remaining in the game would be based on how he said he felt.

 

Now Im not doubting the injury and theres no way to know what kind of pain he was in or how much the decision to pull him was injury and how much was performance. But all the people who are s***ting all over people upset about this need to realize that this injury is something can be played and its been proven many times. Lovie Smith didnt say he pulled him because he was playing bad, he said it was because of the injury. Do you honestly not think if Jay came in after the first series in the 2nd half and said to Lovie "Its sore but Im fine, I can play through it" that he would have stayed in the game?

 

The evidence here points strongly to the fact that this is an injury some people can play through and some can't, with Jay being in the 2nd group. Does that make him some sort of epic sissy? I can't say, and I'm not going to resort to name calling here. But I am surprised, because it's an injury people have played through, Cutler is a guy who has shown to be very tough in the past, yet he didn't play through it.

[iamshack]

And as soon as he made a poor throw people would be all over him, saying he sucked and that he's "Bad Jay." Come on.

Yeah, they would have. And then it would have come out that he was playing injured and people would have cut him slack. No one wanted Jay to come out of the game. Whether or not he was playing terribly, no one wanted him out of the game.

 

Why is it unfair to criticize a player in your eyes, Slav?

[iamshack]

It's not just pain, it's your knee giving out on you.

Which is why the med staff brings those things called "braces."

Edited January 24, 2011 by iamshack

[Y2HH]

Is that a joke?

 

No, because he didn't.

 

Never saw him on the sidelines talking to either backup, never saw him reviewing pictures with them, or micing himself up and wearing a headset to assist like every other #1 QB that goes down does.

 

I also don't care and at this point I'm just stirring the pot.

Edited January 24, 2011 by Y2HH

[DrunkBomber]

The evidence here points strongly to the fact that this is an injury some people can play through and some can't, with Jay being in the 2nd group. Does that make him some sort of epic sissy? I can't say, and I'm not going to resort to name calling here. But I am surprised, because it's an injury people have played through, Cutler is a guy who has shown to be very tough in the past, yet he didn't play through it.

Yes this is basically what Im trying to say. Its not just the "meatball" fans who are curious about why this injury kept him out. The group that is criticizing him more then anyone else are current and former NFL players, some of which have had similar injuries. I wouldnt have expected to hear anything different from the Bears camp but to me it sounds like the coaching staff is covering for him, which they should be.

[StrangeSox]

Yes this is basically what Im trying to say. Its not just the "meatball" fans who are curious about why this injury kept him out. The group that is criticizing him more then anyone else are current and former NFL players, some of which have had similar injuries. I wouldnt have expected to hear anything different from the Bears camp but to me it sounds like the coaching staff is covering for him, which they should be.

 

Most of the people who are criticizing him started well before anything was known other than that Cutler wasn't playing.

[Rowand44]

Why is it unfair to criticize a player in your eyes, Slav?

It's fine to criticize players and Cutler certainly deserves a ton of it but bashing him for not being tough is ridiculously misguided and to be honest, it's just plain stupid.