StrangeSox Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:34 PM) Note the use of the word tear, rather than sprain. This is a reaction to the earlier diagnosis of a sprain. Secondly, I'm not sure I've seen anyone argue that Jay was not injured. The fact that it takes 3-4 weeks to heal says nothing about whether he could have played on the injury or not. A sprain is a tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) Seriously, can we just let this go? There is evidence of players playing through it and evidence of players not playing through it. I can clearly recall LT moping on the sideline of the AFC Championship game against the Cotls while Phillip Rivers was running around with a brace on his knee trash talking to the Indy fans. Some guys just seem to want to win more than others. Not saying either is right or wrong for them personally, but as a fan, of course I want someone like Rivers. Ok, nothing will ever convince you that this was actually a medical decision and not because Jay was a p****, physically or mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) Seriously, can we just let this go? There is evidence of players playing through it and evidence of players not playing through it. I can clearly recall LT moping on the sideline of the AFC Championship game against the Cotls while Phillip Rivers was running around with a brace on his knee trash talking to the Indy fans. Some guys just seem to want to win more than others. Not saying either is right or wrong for them personally, but as a fan, of course I want someone like Rivers. In the end, the point is kind of moot. Rivers could have easily screwed a good year or two of his career by playing with an injured ACL. One big hit could have put him on the sidelines for the next year. Is it really in everyone's best interest to have Cutler injured for all of next season? Edited January 24, 2011 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) A sprain is a tear. Sometimes it's just a stretch without tearing, but that's why there are different grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) A sprain is a tear. Yes, which is the entire point. Notice how they use the word with the stronger connotation. Honestly, we covered this about 3 hours ago, and you are again doing this "sprain is a tear" nonsense, and yet you are the one pointing to this new diagnosis as if anything has changed. It's pretty damn clear that they used the stronger term this time for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) In the end, the point is kind of moot. Rivers could have easily screwed his entire career by playing with an injured ACL. One big hit could have put him on the sidelines for the next year. Is it really in everyone's best interest to have Cutler injured for all of next season? I think the argument youll get to a comment like this is that theyd want their quarterback to fight to be on the field in the NFC Championship and not worry about next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) Sometimes it's just a stretch without tearing, but that's why there are different grades. Good catch. Lovie didn't do anything to help Jay by referring to it as a sprain instead of a tear. Most people don't associate significant injuries with sprains or strains, even though a Grade II can be bad and a Grade III sprain can be devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Are we also just going to overlook the part about Rivers coming out of the game where he actually got that injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) Ok, nothing will ever convince you that this was actually a medical decision and not because Jay was a p****, physically or mentally. Why is that something that is laughable? Because I refuse to agree with you? The fact that I would disagree with your weak argument means mine must be wrong by default? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Good catch. Lovie didn't do anything to help Jay by referring to it as a sprain instead of a tear. Most people don't associate significant injuries with sprains or strains, even though a Grade II can be bad and a Grade III sprain can be devastating. No kidding, f***ing Lisa Turtle won a dance contest with a sprain.....doing the sprain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) Well, playing running back with that injury and playing quarterback with that injury are slightly different, don't you think? There are very different. The one thing no one knows is how unstable the knee was. A second degree sprain is a medical diagnosis but doesn't tell you how unstable it was. If every time Cutler tried to stand on it it collapsed, there is no way he could play. He would not be able to move especially side to side. This is where the medical expertise come into play. The second degree sprain will be different from person to person and the stability will return in 3-8 weeks depending on the instability. The medical staff and the coaching staff evaluated him and determined that regardless of how tough he is or isn't, the knee will not function properly to do the job. So they sat him. This is all assuming the coaches are telling the truth. It is possible to have this injury and it get worse over a few plays. Just picture when you roll your ankle. That is a sprain. Sometimes you can walk it off, other times it seems to get worse and you need to stop. They had half time to evaluate it which means the injury was somewhere in the middle where they let him try it at the beginning of the second half. He was riding the bike on the sideline to try to keep it loose. However it was severe enough that they didn't like the way he moved with it and decided to bench him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Good catch. Lovie didn't do anything to help Jay by referring to it as a sprain instead of a tear. Most people don't associate significant injuries with sprains or strains, even though a Grade II can be bad and a Grade III sprain can be devastating. I maintain this was all Lovie and his penchant for hiding the truth about injuries to "fool" the opposing team. Now that they're getting serious backlash because of it, they're pretending they did nothing wrong, as they usually do. If Lovie had properly reported this injury from the start, instead of trying to play psychological warfare with the Packers (which never works anyway), none of this would be happening right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Why is that something that is laughable? Because I refuse to agree with you? The fact that I would disagree with your weak argument means mine must be wrong by default? Youre better off ignoring him. He seems like basically the only one on either side here not willing to discuss this reasonably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) No kidding, f***ing Lisa Turtle won a dance contest with a sprain.....doing the sprain Oh please, she was dancing against a bunch of white people!! That's like a 1 vs 16 in the NCAA Tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) No kidding, f***ing Lisa Turtle won a dance contest with a sprain.....doing the sprain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) Are we also just going to overlook the part about Rivers coming out of the game where he actually got that injury? Well, I wasn't trying to compare Rivers to Cutler, but rather to point out Rivers is the type of player I admire. Secondly, a torn ACL is far, far worse than a torn MCL, is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) No kidding, f***ing Lisa Turtle won a dance contest with a sprain.....doing the sprain If only Screech could have been there to hold Jay's left leg while he was playing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:46 PM) Well, I wasn't trying to compare Rivers to Cutler, but rather to point out Rivers is the type of player I admire. Secondly, a torn ACL is far, far worse than a torn MCL, is it not? It is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) Yes, which is the entire point. Notice how they use the word with the stronger connotation. Honestly, we covered this about 3 hours ago, and you are again doing this "sprain is a tear" nonsense, and yet you are the one pointing to this new diagnosis as if anything has changed. It's pretty damn clear that they used the stronger term this time for a reason. Sure, they're using the stronger word now, as they should. It's to counter the meatheads who are still insisting Cutler took himself out of the game and to better-inform the many fans who don't know that a Grade II Sprain is a tear. I don't think it's common knowledge for anyone who didn't play sports or take some sort of athletic training or medical classes, so they need to reinforce the severity of the injury before their franchise QB has his reputation in Chicago irreparably damaged. I was pointing to the confirmed diagnosis to reinforce the speculated diagnosis ptatc gave that he had a grade II sprain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) If only Screech could have been there to hold Jay's left leg while he was playing! Screech has fallen from grace and moved on to amateur porn, he has no time to hold Jay's left leg anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:46 PM) Secondly, a torn ACL is far, far worse than a torn MCL, is it not? No clue to be honest. And I really wasn't directing that comment toward you, I've just seen people use Rivers as an example because he played through it in the AFC championship that year. People seem to forget the fact that he came out of the game when the injury actually occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) Yep. This guy has waited for this moment his entire life. He has lived and dreamed for this moment. He has had 5 pro seasons of bone crushing hits. He has had I think, 5 concussions, the last of which he continued to play anyway. He has never quit or taken himself out of any game in his life that we know of. But now in a game that can change his life. A game that every football player wants to be in. A historical game that is so big it will erase all his previous games..he decides to quit?? It isn't fathomable. This is what every player strives for and now that he's here you think he just decided to say aw f*** it...having a bad day, I'll sit. He didn't say aw f*** it in any meaningless game in the last 5 years, but now he decides to?? The arrogant QB who thinks he can come back from anything. The one who says...I'll show you I can fit that ball there. The one that doesn't need to worry about mechanics. He quit?? It's just ludicrous. It's not that I'm just disagreeing with quitter/not tough crowd, I just can't make any sense of it whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:49 PM) This guy has waited for this moment his entire life. He has lived and dreamed for this moment. He has had 5 pro seasons of bone crushing hits. He has had I think, 5 concussions, the last of which he continued to play anyway. He has never quit or taken himself out of any game in his life that we know of. But now in a game that can change his life. A game that every football player wants to be in. A historical game that is so big it will erase all his previous games..he decides to quit?? It isn't fathomable. This is what every player strives for and now that he's here you think he just decided to say aw f*** it...having a bad day, I'll sit. He didn't say aw f*** it in any meaningless game in the last 5 years, but now he decides to?? The arrogant QB who thinks he can come back from anything. The one who says...I'll show you I can fit that ball there. The one that doesn't need to worry about mechanics. He quit?? It's just ludicrous. It's not that I'm just disagreeing with quitter/not tough crowd, I just can't make any sense of it whatsoever. Apparently that makes you unreasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:09 PM) Well, I've been saying it for the last two hours, but I'll say it again. I think he was injured. I think he was also moping and sulking. I think his poor attitude colored his decision on how injured he was and whether or not he could continue. Had the game been going more favorably, I think he would have done more to try and stay in the game. You should be able to differentiate the two things. Most people are piling on him because of how the perceive him, because he's not nice. If he was Tim Tebow, with the exact same injury, everyone would be OK with it and not question his toughness. QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:34 PM) Note the use of the word tear, rather than sprain. This is a reaction to the earlier diagnosis of a sprain. Secondly, I'm not sure I've seen anyone argue that Jay was not injured. The fact that it takes 3-4 weeks to heal says nothing about whether he could have played on the injury or not. Oh really, it doesn't? It shows it's a damn significant injury. QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:46 PM) Well, I wasn't trying to compare Rivers to Cutler, but rather to point out Rivers is the type of player I admire. Secondly, a torn ACL is far, far worse than a torn MCL, is it not? Regardless, he came out of the game. That was his whole point. *************** If you think he's not tough and that he just quit (based on the score or otherwise)...wow. Just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 24, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Why is that something that is laughable? Because I refuse to agree with you? The fact that I would disagree with your weak argument means mine must be wrong by default? He was laughing at you saying a pro athlete "wants it more". I'd bet pretty much anything a QB in the biggest game of his life "wants it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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