Official 2011-2012 NCAA Football Thread

[maggsmaggs]

I would love OSU to get Bo Pelini. It would be a match made in heaven. A current scumbag to replace a another scumbag.

[whitesoxfan101]

I wonder if Jim Tressel regrets the day he signed Terrelle Pryor. Obviously, lying/covering up is what cost Tressel his job. This stuff also obviously started before Pryor arrived, but I think a lot of things would have gone differently and been handled differently were that kid not in the program. It was obvious from day 1 he's pretty dumb, and it played a big role in all of this.

Edited May 30, 2011 by whitesoxfan101

[whitesoxfan101]

Its like you know that something bad happened, and has been happening for a while(Maurice Clarett, cough cough), but you are such a homer that you cant admit it even when you plainly state that the s*** is about to hit the fan.

 

Just read through some of this

 

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/tag/ohio_state_buckeyes

 

This stuff has been happening for a while

 

The cheating isn't Ohio State's big problem here. All of the elite programs, and many of the not elite programs, do it. Their problem is they didn't cover their tracks well, and then had lying/cover up issues once the poor track covering arrived in Jim Tressel's inbox.

Edited May 30, 2011 by whitesoxfan101

[Kyyle23]

The cheating isn't Ohio State's big problem here. All of the elite programs, and many of the not elite programs, do it. Their problem is they didn't cover their tracks well, and then had lying/cover up issues once the poor track covering arrived in Jim Tressel's inbox.

 

Which is exactly what I said, the coverup led to the findings of more coverups. And it has gone from "All Tressel had to do was take a trip to the compliance office in April" to "s***, Antonio Pittman said this has been going on for more than a decade....and we all called Maurice Clarett crazy yet here we have Pryor saying the exact same thing about loaner cars....and Ray Small....and McGlover.....and on and on and on"

 

 

[danman31]

I would love OSU to get Bo Pelini. It would be a match made in heaven. A current scumbag to replace a another scumbag.

I like the way you think. Plus that would add some fire to make a conference rivalry for the Big Ten newbies.

[RockRaines]

Its like you know that something bad happened, and has been happening for a while(Maurice Clarett, cough cough), but you are such a homer that you cant admit it even when you plainly state that the s*** is about to hit the fan.

 

Just read through some of this

 

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/tag/ohio_state_buckeyes

 

This stuff has been happening for a while

Tell me which one of those involves the school and was covered up by the school. Everything you posted was a player who was clearly educated of the rules, breaking them. You are barking up the wrong tree with those awful articles.

 

And if a homer means a fan, then yes I am an OSU fan. I also know what s*** is coming out in the next week or so and t's pretty damaging and embarrassing for such a great school and program. At the end of the day I will always be a fan of Ohio State, so I'll take my medicine as it comes. Tressel being called a "scumbag" is laughable to me mostly because the people calling him that haven't contributed one percent of what the guy did to his community and the men he worked with, but I guess we can all judge one person by a mistake they made in bad judgement instead of the rest of their lives. Haters can hate, but it won't take away the last 10 years of just unreal college football experiences that I had watching my team.

 

When the sanctions come down and OSU is relegated to football purgatory like USC (one of the other dynasties of the last many years) it will be painful but warranted, and hopefully what comes out of this is a better NCAA governing body and defnately a stronger OSU.

 

At least I can still watch Matta and company win titles on the hardwood.

Edited May 30, 2011 by RockRaines

[southsider2k5]

It still happened on the morning of a holiday, that's a fact.

 

Hey, at least they made sure to get that Suger Bowl win first!

 

If OSU lands Urban Meyer for 2012 I don't know if there will be a more hateable program in all of sports.

 

Its a total holiday dump. I agree 100%

[southsider2k5]

I hate his guts and don't think he would represent OSU in the way us fans would like a coach to.

 

So he would be a perfect guy to succeed Jim Tressel.

[RockRaines]

So he would be a perfect guy to succeed Jim Tressel.

Zing! I hope you didn't think too hard about that one.

[Kyyle23]

Tell me which one of those involves the school and was covered up by the school.

 

 

Im pretty sure the school has a responsibility to oversee the athletes under scholarship. Seeing how SI knew about all these things happening, I have a hard time believing that the school didnt know it was happening.

 

But go ahead and keep saying the school didnt know. I know you will

[RockRaines]

 

Im pretty sure the school has a responsibility to oversee the athletes under scholarship. Seeing how SI knew about all these things happening, I have a hard time believing that the school didnt know it was happening.

 

But go ahead and keep saying the school didnt know. I know you will

Si knew about what things happening? They have 8 compliance peoplle supervising 1100 student athletes. If they did know about it, then they will be cited for lack of institutional control and will be hit with severe sanctions. We will both find that out in August. As of right now you are just guessing, as is everyone else.

[Texsox]

Hey Rock, when you were there, were there any whispers of the program being dirty? It seems like, at least over here in Big 12 land, that he ran as honest of a top 25 program as could be run.

[RockRaines]

Hey Rock, when you were there, were there any whispers of the program being dirty? It seems like, at least over here in Big 12 land, that he ran as honest of a top 25 program as could be run.

Dirty as in pay for play and stuff like that, no. It was pretty well known that players would get handed things by local vendors and stuff like a free meal or gatorade at the corner store. I figured thats just life of a big time college athlete.

 

When Cooper was there, some whispers about housing costs and stuff like that were pretty rampant, of course he was run out of town on a rail and nobody really cared much about it after that. Jim O'Brien obviously was pretty dirty and crippled the bball program for awhile.

[RockRaines]

SI article is out, the things I have heard arent even in it. They are alleging more players traded things for tats, even though the items they traded werent recovered with the tons of stuff that was. The total number is 28 players over 10 years that they are alleging.

[RockRaines]

I wonder if Jim Tressel regrets the day he signed Terrelle Pryor. Obviously, lying/covering up is what cost Tressel his job. This stuff also obviously started before Pryor arrived, but I think a lot of things would have gone differently and been handled differently were that kid not in the program. It was obvious from day 1 he's pretty dumb, and it played a big role in all of this.

Rumor has it Pryor is done at OSU, so probably.

[maggsmaggs]

Rumor has it Pryor is done at OSU, so probably.

Do you mean suspended? Or leave on his own volition? If the latter, where would he go? There likely will not be a supplemental draft for the NFL this year, so that's out. Transferring to another D-1 school makes no sense as he would have to sit out a year. Transferring to a D-2 school also is just asinine.

[IlliniKrush]

Si knew about what things happening? They have 8 compliance peoplle supervising 1100 student athletes. If they did know about it, then they will be cited for lack of institutional control and will be hit with severe sanctions. We will both find that out in August. As of right now you are just guessing, as is everyone else.

8 people are pretty much monitoring the football team 1st 2nd and 3rd and the basketball team 4th, no one really gives a s*** about the other sports, nor are they as big a worry with compliance.

 

SI article is out, the things I have heard arent even in it. They are alleging more players traded things for tats, even though the items they traded werent recovered with the tons of stuff that was. The total number is 28 players over 10 years that they are alleging.

Out with it already. If you have something, say it, or quit mentioning it.

 

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I can't wait for Tressel's next book on how to win at life.

[nitetrain8601]

I wonder if Jim Tressel regrets the day he signed Terrelle Pryor. Obviously, lying/covering up is what cost Tressel his job. This stuff also obviously started before Pryor arrived, but I think a lot of things would have gone differently and been handled differently were that kid not in the program. It was obvious from day 1 he's pretty dumb, and it played a big role in all of this.

 

Honestly, this is what I'm thinking about now. That kid was way too much trouble from the start.

[iamshack]

This is all stuff that goes on in pretty much every major football program in Division I. And if you aren't willing to give the top recruits these perks, someone else will. I don't care for Ohio State, but I certainly think it's silly to pretend as though Jim Tressel is a bad or irresponsible person and OSU is running some outrageously dirty program ala SMU in the early 80's or something.

 

Notice how many of these schools get caught because some other episode turns up the evidence of wrongdoing. Not because the NCAA is on them, or because other ADs and coaches are alleging wrongdoing. They are all doing it, it is a fact of life in major collegian athletics, and for people to pretend as if the schools that get caught are the bad apples is just burying your head in the sand.

 

 

[Dick Allen]

Tell me which one of those involves the school and was covered up by the school. Everything you posted was a player who was clearly educated of the rules, breaking them. You are barking up the wrong tree with those awful articles.

 

And if a homer means a fan, then yes I am an OSU fan. I also know what s*** is coming out in the next week or so and t's pretty damaging and embarrassing for such a great school and program. At the end of the day I will always be a fan of Ohio State, so I'll take my medicine as it comes. Tressel being called a "scumbag" is laughable to me mostly because the people calling him that haven't contributed one percent of what the guy did to his community and the men he worked with, but I guess we can all judge one person by a mistake they made in bad judgement instead of the rest of their lives. Haters can hate, but it won't take away the last 10 years of just unreal college football experiences that I had watching my team.

 

When the sanctions come down and OSU is relegated to football purgatory like USC (one of the other dynasties of the last many years) it will be painful but warranted, and hopefully what comes out of this is a better NCAA governing body and defnately a stronger OSU.

 

At least I can still watch Matta and company win titles on the hardwood.

I agree with your earlier statement that his refusal to say anything when he had knowledge of wrongdoing was worse than some 20 year old with no money trading something for a tat, but Tressel in the end is a phony. He made himself out to be something he was not. He was willing to overlook rules in order to win games. Im not a hater but phonies bug me and I think he is a scumbag. I also think it would be naive to think he didnt blow off rules many times in the past. No program is totally clean, but when the leader looks the other way for the sole purpose of winning games, in the end he gets what he deserved and a sparkling reputation is changed to exactly what he deserves...................a cheat. A quote from his book

 

‘‘The reputation of a thousand years may be determined by the conduct of one hour.’’

Edited May 31, 2011 by Dick Allen

[daa84]

i got a good laugh at the SI article that supposedly going to be "mind blowing"

 

It was extraordinarily tame, compared to the hype it got. the first 1/3rd of the article deals with stuff that happened at youngstown 20 years ago. then he talks about how tressell hooked a few guys up with a job that wasn't really a job. Then the entire tattoo thing, which, as far as I can tell Tressell had no business arranging, but was informed about it and lied. Dohrman then spends a good deal of time talking about the criminal history of those involved in ownership of the tattoo place (who cares). Don't get me wrong, you certainly can't lie to the NCAA like tressell did and get away with it, and hooking players up with cars isn't right (but also happens at just about every D1 school...yes even Vanderbilt). He deserved to be canned because he cheated and got caugh. But I just think its hilarious how SI hyped this article as if it were going going to be some shocking, jaw dropping article. With the rumors I had heard about it I half expected stories about dead strippers, not how Tressell rigged a raffle so top recruits won a pair of cleats

Edited May 31, 2011 by daa84

[LittleHurt05]

I agree, the Twitter hype machine made it sound like the article would change the entire college football landscape, it was more of a personal attack than anything. How about the writer quoting Mark Titus' opinion on his blog? Great journalism there.

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

Hahahahaa. I said it when it first came out, Tress was gonna be fired. Great coach but an even bigger idiot for not reporting that stuff (or maybe he's not an idiot and he was really smart to keep all of his crap covered up for so long).

[Texsox]

Take a look at Div 1 schools before making statements like all. There are more than 300 D1 schools. I'll bet the kind of violations we read about do not occur at a couple hundred of those schools.

[southsider2k5]

I love this post from facebook.

 

Bruce Wolf

Memo to sportsradio show hosts: Please get outraged over OSU players getting cars when the coach was able to afford to give up the equivalent of a car dealership when he resigned. Also, try to ignore the fact that Chicago's number one athlete cheated on the admissions test to get into college. How do I know? I took the test for him. And I'd do it again! Go Bulls!