Official 2011-2012 NCAA Football Thread

[Palehosefan]

This was from a high school championship in Texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rg2QEX5sqY

 

Seems like everyone is ok, so here was a follow up image.

 

[whitesoxfan101]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/201...otball_p_4.html

 

Ohio State loses 9 total scholarships and gets a one year postseason ban. The big thing that comes out of this, for me, is how AMAZINGLY arrogant, stupid, or both Ohio State was to not decline a bowl bid this year. I hope they think that 6-6 Gator Bowl trip with an interim coach was worth it next year when they are sitting home after 12 games.

Edited December 20, 2011 by whitesoxfan101

[Soxfest]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/201...otball_p_4.html

 

Ohio State loses 9 total scholarships and gets a one year postseason ban. The big thing that comes out of this, for me, is how AMAZINGLY arrogant, stupid, or both Ohio State was to not decline a bowl bid this year. I hope they think that 6-6 Gator Bowl trip with an interim coach was worth it next year when they are sitting home after 12 games.

Penalty still was on the light side. Once Meyer signed as coach everyone knew the sanctions would be very light or he would not have come!

Edited December 20, 2011 by Soxfest

[RockRaines]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/201...otball_p_4.html

 

Ohio State loses 9 total scholarships and gets a one year postseason ban. The big thing that comes out of this, for me, is how AMAZINGLY arrogant, stupid, or both Ohio State was to not decline a bowl bid this year. I hope they think that 6-6 Gator Bowl trip with an interim coach was worth it next year when they are sitting home after 12 games.

Gene. Smith.

 

Punishment was overly harsh considering the precedent of FTM charges never brining a bowl ban, but just to be safe why wouldnt you decline the f***ing Gator bowl. My guess is he is let go within the month.

 

Looks like 2013 for our real run.

[RockRaines]

Penalty still was on the light side. Once Meyer signed as coach everyone knew the anctions would be very light or he would not have come!

On the light side based on what? If you actually read the charges instead of ESPN you would have seen the what actually was being reported instead of bulls***. A bowl ban just extended the precedent of FTM charge over what it previously was. That doesnt bode well for other programs.

[whitesoxfan101]

Gene. Smith.

 

Punishment was overly harsh considering the precedent of FTM charges never brining a bowl ban, but just to be safe why wouldnt you decline the f***ing Gator bowl. My guess is he is let go within the month.

 

Looks like 2013 for our real run.

 

I don't know enough about the case to know if the penalty was overly harsh, but exactly what you said, there's no harm to turn down the Gator Bowl and be overly safe. Really, this punishment does nothing to Ohio State outside of the postseason ban, and they'd be fine had they just declined to play in it this year. I'm amazed Gene Smith isn't gone already, but this has to be the last straw. He just made a year of Urban Meyer irrelevant outside of what he does in recruiting.

Edited December 20, 2011 by whitesoxfan101

[RockRaines]

I don't know enough about the case to know if the penalty was overly harsh, but exactly what you said, there's no harm to turn down the Gator Bowl and be overly safe. Really, this punishment does nothing to Ohio State outside of the postseason ban, and they'd be fine had they just declined to play in it this year. I'm amazed Gene Smith isn't gone already, but this has to be the last straw. He just made a year of Urban Meyer irrelevant outside of what he does in recruiting.

Outside of the fact the media reported what size dumps OSU employees took during their "investigation" OSU got a FTM charge as their harshest penalty, just like Boise St got this year.

 

Gene Smith gambled on a bowl game we arent even making money on and lost. He's a dumb s*** and wil be fire. Luckily the recruits Urban is getting wont really be too effected by this but i feel for the juniors and sophs that did nothing wrong. So stupid of the OSU brass to not impose a ban this year.

[whitesoxfan101]

Outside of the fact the media reported what size dumps OSU employees took during their "investigation" OSU got a FTM charge as their harshest penalty, just like Boise St got this year.

 

Gene Smith gambled on a bowl game we arent even making money on and lost. He's a dumb s*** and wil be fire. Luckily the recruits Urban is getting wont really be too effected by this but i feel for the juniors and sophs that did nothing wrong. So stupid of the OSU brass to not impose a ban this year.

 

If I were Ohio State, I'd redshirt as many guys as humanely possible (aka who will agree to do it) next year. The schoarship thing is basically 3 a year, that is nothing when you recruit as well as Urban Meyer does. And I don't think any recruits will be lost due to this either, unless they had their hearts set on a Big Ten/National Title as a true freshman.

[Heads22]

Hahah I've heard about some Gene Smith shenanigans. Apparently he liked volleyball players.

[LittleHurt05]

@CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson

Key witness refused to cooperate w/ NCAA's Ohio State probe. Had he taken part, sanctions could have been far worse. OSU dodged a bullet.

Also, the witness was not Pryor. It was a civilian close to the players.

No, the NCAA will not revisit this. The witness had the chance to cooperate. What's done is done. Sanctions are final.

This is correct. Witness refused 4 his own safety. RT @brickhauz There's a reason OSU allegations ended unproven. Witness feared 4 his life.

 

[whitesoxfan101]

Hahah I've heard about some Gene Smith shenanigans. Apparently he liked volleyball players.

 

That can be hit and miss. There are a lot of hot ones and they're tall, which is nice. But I've found that often times, they end up being a bit psycho.

 

Oh, back to your point, how much did he like them?

 

And re: the last post, I'd imagine witnesses refuse to testify on stuff like this for fear of their own safety a lot. College sports fans and boosters are a bit crazy, as we all know.

Edited December 20, 2011 by whitesoxfan101

[RockRaines]

@CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson

Key witness refused to cooperate w/ NCAA's Ohio State probe. Had he taken part, sanctions could have been far worse. OSU dodged a bullet.

Also, the witness was not Pryor. It was a civilian close to the players.

No, the NCAA will not revisit this. The witness had the chance to cooperate. What's done is done. Sanctions are final.

This is correct. Witness refused 4 his own safety. RT @brickhauz There's a reason OSU allegations ended unproven. Witness feared 4 his life.

In other news, the bagman who paid Cam Newton will be revealed on the radio today....

[RockRaines]

If I were Ohio State, I'd redshirt as many guys as humanely possible (aka who will agree to do it) next year. The schoarship thing is basically 3 a year, that is nothing when you recruit as well as Urban Meyer does. And I don't think any recruits will be lost due to this either, unless they had their hearts set on a Big Ten/National Title as a true freshman.

Freshman maybe, they still have 12 games under Urban Meyer to improve draft stock etc.

[Heads22]

That can be hit and miss. There are a lot of hot ones and they're tall, which is nice. But I've found that often times, they end up being a bit psycho.

 

Oh, back to your point, how much did he like them?

 

And re: the last post, I'd imagine witnesses refuse to testify on stuff like this for fear of their own safety a lot. College sports fans and boosters are a bit crazy, as we all know.

Quite a bit, apparently.

[Rex Hudler]

Looking for clarification. ESPN's story reported 5 scholarships per year plus the 4 Ohio had previously self-imposed. Cleveland paper reads 5 total + the 4 for 9 over three years.

 

Anyone know what the correct total is and how they are to be broken out over those three years?

[southsider2k5]

@CharlesRobinson Charles Robinson

Key witness refused to cooperate w/ NCAA's Ohio State probe. Had he taken part, sanctions could have been far worse. OSU dodged a bullet.

Also, the witness was not Pryor. It was a civilian close to the players.

No, the NCAA will not revisit this. The witness had the chance to cooperate. What's done is done. Sanctions are final.

This is correct. Witness refused 4 his own safety. RT @brickhauz There's a reason OSU allegations ended unproven. Witness feared 4 his life.

 

Stay classy Buckeyes.

[RockRaines]

Looking for clarification. ESPN's story reported 5 scholarships per year plus the 4 Ohio had previously self-imposed. Cleveland paper reads 5 total + the 4 for 9 over three years.

 

Anyone know what the correct total is and how they are to be broken out over those three years?

9 total over 3 years.

[RockRaines]

Stay classy Buckeyes.

Who said they were buckeyes? My anonymous source says it was ND fans.

[RockRaines]

NCAA release

 

Ohio State cited for failure to monitor, receives postseason ban

NCAA.org

The Ohio State University was cited for failure to monitor, preferential treatment and extra benefit violations in its football program, according to findings announced today by the Division I Committee on Infractions. The former head coach also was found to have engaged in unethical conduct for not reporting NCAA rule violations.

Public Infractions Report

Read the Public Infractions Report here.

The penalties in this case, some of which were self-imposed by the university and adopted by the committee, include a one-year postseason ban for the 2012 season, additional scholarship reductions, disassociation of both an involved booster and a former student-athlete, forfeiture of almost $340,000 and a vacation of records. In addition, the former head coach received a five-year show-cause order that limits his athletically related duties and applies to any NCAA member school which may consider employing him. The public report includes additional details.

According to the facts of the case, eight football student-athletes received more than $14,000 in cash payments or preferential treatment from the owner of a Columbus, Ohio, tattoo parlor. In addition to free or discounted tattoos and cash for memorabilia received by these student-athletes, one football student-athlete received a loan and discount on a car.

The committee also found the former head coach concealed these NCAA violations when he was notified of the situation, which led to his unethical conduct finding.

“Of great concern to the committee was the fact that the former head coach became aware of these violations and decided not to report the violations to institutional officials, the Big Ten Conference or the NCAA,” the committee stated in its report.

Specifically, the committee noted that the former head coach had at least four different opportunities to report the information, and his failure to do so led to allowing several football student-athletes to compete while ineligible. Many of these student-athletes were key contributors to the team’s winning 2010 season.

Following the Committee on Infractions hearing on August 12, the enforcement staff and university investigated additional allegations that had come to light. These additional violations centered on a booster providing nine football student-athletes with more than $2,400 in payments for work not performed and cash. The university also was cited for failing to monitor the booster’s employment of football student-athletes. Ohio State conceded it could have done more to monitor the booster by taking additional steps that would have reduced the likelihood of these violations occurring.

The penalties, some of which were self-imposed by the university and adopted by the committee, include:

Public reprimand and censure.

Three years of probation from Dec. 20, 2011, through Dec. 19, 2014. The public report contains further details on the conditions of this probation.

Postseason ban for the 2012 football season, which includes the conference championship game.

Reduction of football scholarships from 85 to 82 for each of the 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2014-15 academic years. This is an increase from the university’s proposal of five initial scholarships spread over three academic years.

Vacation of all wins for the 2010 football regular season, including the 2010 Big Ten Conference co-championship and participation in the 2011 Sugar Bowl. The public report contains further details (self-imposed by the university).

Forfeiture of $338,811, which is the amount the university received through the Big Ten Conference revenue sharing for its appearance in the bowl game (self-imposed by the university).

Five-year show-cause order for the former head coach. The public report contains further details.

Disassociation of the booster for 10 years, including among other conditions, the prohibition of any financial or other support (self-imposed by the university).

Disassociation of a former student-athlete for five years, including among other conditions, the prohibition of any financial or other support (self-imposed by the university).

The members of the Committee on Infractions who reviewed this case include Dr. Dennis Thomas, the commissioner of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference and chair of the Committee on Infractions. Other members are Britton Banowsky, commissioner of Conference USA; John S. Black, attorney; Melissa (Missy) Conboy, deputy director of athletics at the University of Notre Dame; Roscoe Howard, Jr., attorney; Eleanor Myers, faculty athletics representative and law professor at Temple University; James O’Fallon, law professor and faculty athletics representative for University of Oregon; and Gregory Sankey, associate commissioner of the Southeastern Conference.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/co...+postseason+ban

 

There ya go Rex

[whitesoxfan101]

Five year show cause for Tressel=he will never coach again at the college level. And quite frankly, deservedly so.

[RockRaines]

Five year show cause for Tressel=he will never coach again at the college level. And quite frankly, deservedly so.

He got what he deserves, that moron could have saved alot of trouble by forwarding some emails. Idiot. This is like the O'brien situation when Matta came in, new era, hopefully cleaner.

 

 

[Soxfest]

Gene Smith has to be canned after alll this.

[RockRaines]

Gene Smith has to be canned after alll this.

Him still being there is an epic fail. Clean f***ing house.

[Rex Hudler]

Thanks Rock. The penalties were about what I expected. Relying on precedent is dangerous because there are always differences in each case. For example, Alabama didn't even get the FTM or LOIC charge and got a two year bowl ban. From a big picture perspective, these penalties aren't something OSU can't work around fairly easily so while they seem harsh, I'm thinking they shouldn't sweat it.

 

In my mind (which is pure opinion) the following are what made OSU's penalties stiffer than what they expected.

 

-- Being a relatively recent previous offender. I'm not sure if they fell into "repeat offender" status, but you can't tell me it doesn't weigh on a committee's collective mind. The committee is made up of humans, not a mysterious beast called the NCAA.

-- The feeling there was more but there were people that did not cooperate. I don't think they overtly give stronger penalties for this because they can only go by the evidence in front of them, but I don't buy that it does not affect one's subconsious at least a little.

-- Real or not, but perceived arrogance by OSU in the process. Gene Smith's repeated statements about it being isolated and not an institutional problem only to have new stuff come out. I'm not saying everyone in the university knew or participated, but my question is, how could he be so sure? Obviously he was wrong.

-- The deception by Tressell.

-- A new NCAA President who has already called for harsher penalties. OSU gets caught in the crossfire of bad timing here.

 

Lastly, I wouldn't be so sure that opting out of a bowl this year would leave them free and clear next year. Using this year to OSU's advantage may have been perceived as weak and not substantial enough and a two year ban could have been imposed. It may not have, but I have to think that when a school self-imposes penalties which are deemed not severe or perceived as strategic to lessen the blow, humans will take that into consideration. Now if OSU was 10-2 and going to a BCS game this year and self-imposed, that would be different.

 

All of the above may not be accurate, but it seems reasonable to think it could be.

[RockRaines]

Dunn and Pittman are still in, so thats good. I am hearing we may lose Schutt. I just hope Spence stays.