greg775 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (WhiteSUX @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 03:19 AM) Ok guys. But seriously, what do you think of your team this year? Is Dunn going to make any difference? Jesse Crain really isn't that bad and wish we could have kept him. Best of luck to you this year and would like to hear your thoughts on us? QUOTE (WhiteSUX @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 03:38 AM) Another question I would like to ask all of you is your general feelings regarding Ozzie as manager. I know he has had some success there in the past, but as a fanbase are you in support of Ozzie, embarrassed by some of his antics, or just simply ready for a change? Personally I think his days are numbered if not successful this year. a.) Ilike our team this year, but we need to start beating your team (last year's record vs. the Twins was ridiculously bad) and other teams in the division. If we play like we did last year against our division we won't win squat. b.) I love Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jan 28, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) LF: Young > Pierre I think Delmon needs at least one more >, but otherwise it is a fair breakdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I like the Sox talent better overall, hell, I even like the Tigers talent just as much as the Twins, but it's all the fundamentals that the Twins do so well, and not hurting themselves that gives them the nod in the division in my mind. Plus, I've always had a thing for Gardenhire. Twins - 94-95 wins White Sox - 92-93 wins Tigers - 86-87 wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 02:16 AM) I think Delmon needs at least one more >, but otherwise it is a fair breakdown. Pierre actually had a higher WAR last season than Young, believe it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincystandback Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 28, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) .260 40 HR 110 RBI Yeah. His usual stats. You think Dunn will hit more than 40 HR's in the Cell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (QuincyStandback @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 03:53 AM) You think Dunn will hit more than 40 HR's in the Cell? I do. I am counting on 43-46 HR from Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 02:50 AM) Pierre actually had a higher WAR last season than Young, believe it or not. Defensive metrics had Pierre much better than Young which I strongly disagree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincystandback Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 02:58 AM) I do. I am counting on 43-46 HR from Dunn. I was actually thinking the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (QuincyStandback @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 04:17 AM) I was actually thinking the same thing. I bet after the first week when Dunn has 5 HR, we all change our predictions to 74. I know I will. Edited January 29, 2011 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 If he hits 3 HRs on opening day there's no way he hits less than 400 HRs this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Seems as though the Sox always look better on paper and then the Twins win it anyway. The Tigers should be in this discussion as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 04:07 AM) Defensive metrics had Pierre much better than Young which I strongly disagree with. Really? Why do you disagree with that? I thought the fact that all Delmon Young does well on D is throw was pretty firmly established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 09:45 AM) Really? Why do you disagree with that? I thought the fact that all Delmon Young does well on D is throw was pretty firmly established. Wasn't D.Young's July better than Pierre's entire career? I don't remember any Juan Pierre highlights except that one catch running to the line, but I remember D. Young carrying the Twins for a month or two. In this case, I say WAR/SHMORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) Wasn't D.Young's July better than Pierre's entire career? I don't remember any Juan Pierre highlights except that one catch running to the line, but I remember D. Young carrying the Twins for a month or two. In this case, I say WAR/SHMORE. Yeah, Delmon Young had a ridiculous July, a 1.191 OPS for the month. However, his OPS on the full season was .826. Outside of July he had a sub-.800 OPS. What the advanced stats are telling you there is that there's more to the story than Young's 110 RBI. He was in a ridiculous lineup and in the middle because he could hit righty. I don't know that Pierre was worth more than him as WAR believes, but I do agree that Young wasn't an MVP candidate from his big RBI numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 09:45 AM) Really? Why do you disagree with that? I thought the fact that all Delmon Young does well on D is throw was pretty firmly established. Yeah, Delmon is consistently below average defensively. Good arm, bad range, bad routes. The thing about the Twins is that their SP staff is due to completely implode. IMO, they've been playing over their heads for a couple years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) Yeah, Delmon is consistently below average defensively. Good arm, bad range, bad routes. The thing about the Twins is that their SP staff is due to completely implode. IMO, they've been playing over their heads for a couple years now. Six division titles in nine years says otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) Yeah, Delmon is consistently below average defensively. Good arm, bad range, bad routes. The thing about the Twins is that their SP staff is due to completely implode. IMO, they've been playing over their heads for a couple years now. The other way to look at it is that the Twins starting staff has been helped by having a consistently top of the league bullpen, including middle relief, so if their starters give them a decent outing, they can be bailed out. They've lost a lot from their pen this year (Rauch, Crain, Fuentes, Guerreir), and they're spending a ton of money on it. If Nathan comes back and is Nathan, they've still got it, but without him, they're iffy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) The other way to look at it is that the Twins starting staff has been helped by having a consistently top of the league bullpen, including middle relief, so if their starters give them a decent outing, they can be bailed out. They've lost a lot from their pen this year (Rauch, Crain, Fuentes, Guerreir), and they're spending a ton of money on it. If Nathan comes back and is Nathan, they've still got it, but without him, they're iffy. I'm done saying the Twins pitching looks suspect on paper. As always, I'm sure that bullpen will be amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 03:07 AM) Defensive metrics had Pierre much better than Young which I strongly disagree with. Young is terrible in the OF. Ask any unbiased Twins fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (WhiteSUX @ Jan 28, 2011 -> 08:50 PM) Just wondering what you guys think of your team this year? Talent to win it all, middle of the pack, or Kansas City Royals bad? Here in Minnesota we expect to win our 3rd consecutive division title and think we have the top talent again this year in the Central. Congrats on the Jesse Crain signing. Jesse likes to get highlights in his hair so he and A.J. should get along just fine. They do nothing on the field and eat up alot of payroll so they already have alot of chemistry. and do your annual one and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 01:43 PM) Wasn't D.Young's July better than Pierre's entire career? I don't remember any Juan Pierre highlights except that one catch running to the line, but I remember D. Young carrying the Twins for a month or two. In this case, I say WAR/SHMORE. IMO, you don't remember any of Juan Pierre's defensive highlights because he was usually there waiting for the ball. Another question would be, when do you remember JP really misjudging a ball? I don't know that I can recall more than a handful, and I can recall quite a few from D. Young in limited exposure. They're really such different players, though, that it's hard to call. I gave Young the edge but I don't think it's extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 11:43 AM) Wasn't D.Young's July better than Pierre's entire career? I don't remember any Juan Pierre highlights except that one catch running to the line, but I remember D. Young carrying the Twins for a month or two. In this case, I say WAR/SHMORE. Delmon Young had one good month. Some Pierre defensive highlights: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12056381 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12130089 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11387065 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11220661 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10639239 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10217991 All those videos are from a two month span. It seems like you must not appreciate great range, but rather poor range and then some diving catch to make it look good. Say whatever you want about Pierre's offensive game, but his defensive game certainly isn't lacking. Edited January 29, 2011 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) Delmon Young had one good month. Some Pierre defensive highlights: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12056381 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12130089 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11387065 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11220661 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10639239 http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10217991 All those videos are from a two month span. It seems like you must not appreciate great range, but rather poor range and then some diving catch to make it look good. Say whatever you want about Pierre's offensive game, but his defensive game certainly isn't lacking. Pretty much all of those plays feature strong instincts (good lines to the ball) and some makeup speed in the case of the KC robbery. Good stuff. Definitely solid defensively. Don't care much about the noodle arm since you have to catch the ball way more often than you have to throw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 01:26 PM) All those videos are from a two month span. It seems like you must not appreciate great range, but rather poor range and then some diving catch to make it look good. . LOL. Sure man, I MUST? Haha why must I? What a joke of a statement. Anyways, weird assumptions aside, I think WAR is useless comparing players with different skill sets. Actually, I think it's useless in general, but I guess it's a decent summary if for some reason ranking players excites you. We all know Juan was great on the catching part of defense last year. We also all know that he will be with a different team next year for the 6th time in his career; probably for the same 2-3 years that teams generally tolerate him for until they desire a corner OF with even a smidge of extra base power. I don't hate Juan Pierre as I don't hate any player, but he is what he is. Anybody can see that. That's why teams let him go. That's why he got benched for two years of his prime. Who cares about his range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 02:54 PM) That's why he got benched for two years of his prime. Mannroid Ramiroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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