Springfield Soxfan Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) 1. Chris Sale 2. Brent Morel 3. Dayan Viciedo 4. Jared Mitchell 5. Eduardo Escobar 6. Gregori Infante 7. Jacob Petrika 8. Brandon Short 9. Trace Thompson 10. Anthony Carter 11.. Charlie Leesman 12. Santos Rodriguez 13. Addison Reed 14. Mike Blanke 15. Lucas Harrell 16. Thomas Royse 17. Tyler Flowers 18. Jordan Danks 19. Andy Wilkins 20. Tyler Saldino 21. Nate Jones 22. Jhonny Nunez 23. Kyle Cofield 24. Miguel Gonzalez 25. Andre Rienzo 26. Josh Phegly 27. Matt Heidenreich 28. Jon Gilmore 29. Cameron Bayne 39. Spencer Arroyo 31. Kyle Bellamy Overall, it ranks the Sox system 27th. Thoughts? Edited January 30, 2011 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Dexter Carter and Aaron Poreda have fallen off the Padres Top 30 list. Daniel Cortes is the Mariners 10th best prospect (we traded him to KC) De Los Santos is 13th on the Oakland List David Holmberg is 26th on the Diamondbacks list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I don't think our top6 is that bad at all, just after that the lack of depth really shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Short at 8 seems like a major reach to me. Harrell ahead of Flowers? Yikes. Also pretty disappointed that Bellamy dropped so far, though I was pretty disappointed in his performance last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) Short at 8 seems like a major reach to me. Harrell ahead of Flowers? Yikes. Also pretty disappointed that Bellamy dropped so far, though I was pretty disappointed in his performance last year. Surprised about Bellamy as well " Be he lost his strike zone when he got to Birmingham, and his issues were both mechanical and mental." Edited January 30, 2011 by Springfield SoxFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 07:02 PM) 1. Chris Sale 2. Brent Morel 3. Dayan Viciedo 4. Jared Mitchell 5. Eduardo Escobar 6. Gregori Infante 7. Jacob Petrika 8. Brandon Short 9. Trace Thompson 10. Anthony Carter 11.. Charlie Leesman 12. Santos Rodriguez 13. Addison Reed 14. Mike Blanke 15. Lucas Harrell 16. Thomas Royse 17. Tyler Flowers 18. Jordan Danks 19. Andy Wilkins 20. Tyler Saldino 21. Nate Jones 22. Jhonny Nunez 23. Kyle Cofield 24. Miguel Gonzalez 25. Andre Rienzo 26. Josh Phegly 27. Matt Heidenreich 28. Jon Gilmore 29. Cameron Bayne 39. Spencer Arroyo 31. Kyle Bellamy Overall, it ranks the Sox system 27th. Thoughts? No surprises here. System pretty much sucks. No legitimate SP prospects other than Sale, and even that's in question. Mitchell, who was already raw to begin with, is now going to have to overcome a year of rust. Danks and Flowers are mere afterthoughts now. I'm not at all sold on Escobar and his career .668 OPS. No defense in the world can overcome such a horrific bat. Who were the 3 teams ranked below the Sox? I'm certain the Astros and Brewers were. Are the Cardinals the other team? Edited January 30, 2011 by knightni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 07:11 PM) I don't think our top6 is that bad at all, just after that the lack of depth really shows. Gregory Infante at 6 is a joke. Not that he's not worthy. But the fact that he is worthy speaks to how terrible the system is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 They're lower on Rienzo than pretty much every other list I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) Gregory Infante at 6 is a joke. Not that he's not worthy. But the fact that he is worthy speaks to how terrible the system is. You see bullpen arms in teams top10 prospects all the time, if his arm is as electric as advertised and the fact he prob going to be in majors this season don't think it's a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 08:26 PM) No surprises here. System pretty much sucks. No legitimate SP prospects other than Sale, and even that's in question. Mitchell, who was already raw to begin with, is now going to have to overcome a year of rust. Danks and Flowers are mere afterthoughts now. I'm not at all sold on Escobar and his career .668 OPS. No defense in the world can overcome such a horrific bat. Who were the 3 teams ranked below the Sox? I'm certain the Astros and Brewers were. Are the Cardinals the other team? A's, Marlins, Brewers are beneath the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 08:26 PM) I'm not at all sold on Escobar and his career .668 OPS. No defense in the world can overcome such a horrific bat. Not to argue, but does that mean Alcides Escobar and Elvis Andrus are bad Major Leaguers? I would tend to agree, but I thought people were using them as the prototypes for defense being valuable or something in the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) You see bullpen arms in teams top10 prospects all the time, if his arm is as electric as advertised and the fact he prob going to be in majors this season don't think it's a joke. Most of the bullpen arms you see ranked that high are guys that have plus velocity and a plus, or potential to be plus, breaking pitch. Infante has neither. And his minor league resume is hardly impressive. QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 09:42 PM) A's, Marlins, Brewers are beneath the Sox. A's and Marlins? Little surprising. Though I guess the Marlins have graduated quite a bit of talent [stanton, Morrison, Sanchez] recently. I assume the Royals were the overwhelming choice for #1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 11:20 PM) Not to argue, but does that mean Alcides Escobar and Elvis Andrus are bad Major Leaguers? I would tend to agree, but I thought people were using them as the prototypes for defense being valuable or something in the other thread. They were .700+ OPS guys for most of their minor league careers IIRC. Andrus was 20 and Esobar was 21 when they first hit the big leagues. And both of those guys have another premium tool in their speed, something I haven't read associated with Eduardo. Eduardo is 22 and from what I've read a best-case scenario would be him possibly getting a shot in 2012. In which he would be 23. I get what you're saying. And it's fair. But I don't think our Escobar is on the same level as Andrus and the other Escobar, even if their OPS's aren't that much different. Edited January 30, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Oh I wasn't comparing minor league numbers. I was more saying that Alcides Escobar and Andrus suck at offense. I was all about Eduardo, but it's almost no longer cool now that people are overrating him. I'm not a big fan of defense only SS. If you can't hit, baseball is the wrong game for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 11:35 PM) Oh I wasn't comparing minor league numbers. I was more saying that Alcides Escobar and Andrus suck at offense. I was all about Eduardo, but it's almost no longer cool now that people are overrating him. I'm not a big fan of defense only SS. If you can't hit, baseball is the wrong game for you. I agree. Elvis Andrus doesn't have a lick of power. He did sport a .342 OBP as a 21-year old last year. Our Escobar has a career .318 OBP in most high A ball and below. So at least with Andrus there's some upside. I will concede the other Escobar flat sucked last year. I was really disappointed. I picked him to win the ROY and took him in 3 of my 4 fantasy leagues thinking I could get a decent average and some cheap steals. Can't steal when you're never on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 11:24 PM) Most of the bullpen arms you see ranked that high are guys that have plus velocity and a plus, or potential to be plus, breaking pitch. Infante has neither. And his minor league resume is hardly impressive. He was at 95.8 with his fastball in the majors. It's a small sample size, but it doesn't take much of a sample size to establish velocity. I would say that is plus velocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 11:59 PM) He was at 95.8 with his fastball in the majors. It's a small sample size, but it doesn't take much of a sample size to establish velocity. I would say that is plus velocity. Yeah, I just saw that. Well I didn't see any of Infante last year. Stuff I've read didn't conclude that he had plus velocity. But I'd say almost 96 MPH definitely qualifies. So I was wrong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 30, 2011 -> 12:04 AM) Yeah, I just saw that. Well I didn't see any of Infante last year. Stuff I've read didn't conclude that he had plus velocity. But I'd say almost 96 MPH definitely qualifies. So I was wrong there. I saw him live...electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm a big fan of Bent Morel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 IIRC, Infante had consecutive games last year (in the minors) where he threw 100mph pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 30, 2011 -> 03:20 AM) I'm a big fan of Bent Morel. Yeah, I fixed that on the lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 30, 2011 -> 06:58 AM) Yeah, I fixed that on the lists. Thanks, sorry about my typos, tried to get the list typed in there too quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Royals, Braves, Rays, Blue Jays, Yankees...... However, the book must have gone to print before the Garza trade for the Rays so that might have shifted the Rays up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 29, 2011 -> 08:26 PM) No surprises here. System pretty much sucks. No legitimate SP prospects other than Sale, and even that's in question. Mitchell, who was already raw to begin with, is now going to have to overcome a year of rust. Danks and Flowers are mere afterthoughts now. I'm not at all sold on Escobar and his career .668 OPS. No defense in the world can overcome such a horrific bat. Who were the 3 teams ranked below the Sox? I'm certain the Astros and Brewers were. Are the Cardinals the other team? Well the only reason Sale is a question as a starting pitcher is because he can be so dominant as a reliever. If we had a legit closer, he would undoubtedly be starting. So it's less an indictment on Sale and more of one on the White Sox. And I still can't get myself to agree with Dayan being behind Morel. Morel's ceiling is a GG-caliber defensive player who has an .800 OPS. Not bad at all, but Dayan can be an MVP-type bat. Edited January 30, 2011 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 30, 2011 -> 09:52 AM) Well the only reason Sale is a question as a starting pitcher is because he can be so dominant as a reliever. If we had a legit closer, he would undoubtedly be starting. So it's less an indictment on Sale and more of one on the White Sox. And I still can't get myself to agree with Dayan being behind Morel. Morel's ceiling is a GG-caliber defensive player who has an .800 OPS. Not bad at all, but Dayan can be an MVP-type bat. That's not the only reason. There were questions before the draft on what his long-term role would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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