southsider2k5 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chicago/chat/_/id/36758 Gary (Peru Post Office) With Ramirez now extended, are the Sox planning to extend Danks before the season as well? Bruce Levine (1:15 PM) The Sox have been trying to sign Danks to a long-term deal for 2 1/2 years. Danks and his agent Jeff Barry do not seem interested. It appears he'll go through arbitration until he's a free agent in 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Danks is trying to roll the dice because he knows he'll get big money in free agency. Can't hardly blame him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 If you look at the deals that the White Sox have handed out in recent history, it's not hard to believe that he hasn't accepted...We haven't really seen anyone break the bank recently, with the exception of contracts we have taken on from other teams...Are some of the deals they've handed out very lucrative? Yes...but nothing I would call irresponsible, which is probably what Danks is hoping someone will offer him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooftop Shots Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 After all of the money that we just dished out, the only way that I can see us giving Danks a big contract is if we at least go deep into the playoffs. We'll still have a good core for the following year, and some guarateed seats being full, as fans will have more confidence in what we have already set for the following year. . That.....along with Buehrle possibly being gone, the money would be there along with him being a lefty as a big incentive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Feb 2, 2011 -> 10:59 PM) After all of the money that we just dished out, the only way that I can see us giving Danks a big contract is if we at least go deep into the playoffs. We'll still have a good core for the following year, and some guarateed seats being full, as fans will have more confidence in what we have already set for the following year. . That.....along with Buehrle possibly being gone, the money would be there along with him being a lefty as a big incentive. Money per year is not the problem, as I have little doubt the Sox have any qualms with paying John Danks $15+ million a year. The problem is the length of the deal. It used to be that the Sox didn't go more than 3 years with a pitcher, but that has been broken with the signings of Buehrle and Linebrink - both 4 year deals - as well as the acquisition of Peavy, who was signed for an additional 3 years after the Sox acquired him (which is technically around 3.3 years). Two of the three were injured AND ineffective within 2 years of coming to Chicago, and with Linebrink, it was within the first year of that 4 year deal. Other teams are willing to give pitchers 6-7 years, especially when they have shown no durability issues in the past. Danks is hoping for that. Unless the Sox can do some major convincing, Danks will almost certainly hit the free agent market. Perhaps they will be willing to go 5 years with Danks along with a mutual option for a 6th year, but that's about the only scenario in which I can envision the Sox resigning Danks. Edited February 3, 2011 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He's either extended or traded at the end of the this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I have not heard of the sox offering anything close to what a pitcher like danks would get. Jon Lester got 5 years 30M, Zach Grienke got 4 years 38M. When the sox offer Danks something close to Grienke got then we can talk for real. Until then all we know is that Danks was offered a 4 Year 16M deal, same one that Flloyd accepted. Shocking that he turned it down, hes about 10x better than Gavin. If the sox offered Danks something like 4 Year 40M right now he would probably accept it, 6M in 2011, 8M in 2012, 12M in 2013, 14M in 2014. BOOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 QUOTE (joeynach @ Feb 3, 2011 -> 01:30 AM) I have not heard of the sox offering anything close to what a pitcher like danks would get. Jon Lester got 5 years 30M, Zach Grienke got 4 years 38M. When the sox offer Danks something close to Grienke got then we can talk for real. Until then all we know is that Danks was offered a 4 Year 16M deal, same one that Flloyd accepted. Shocking that he turned it down, hes about 10x better than Gavin. If the sox offered Danks something like 4 Year 40M right now he would probably accept it, 6M in 2011, 8M in 2012, 12M in 2013, 14M in 2014. BOOM! Jon Lester signed his deal after he had a little over 2 years of service time and I don't believe he was even arbitration eligible when he signed the deal. Lester also had cancer, so cashing in when he could was a very good idea. That was also 2 years ago in very different economic circumstances as well. Greinke signed his 4 year extension before he won the Cy Young. That $13.5 million free agent year value is for a player who is a 3.50 ERA pitcher with other potential problems. Beyond that, these players wanted to sign extensions. That's why they did and ended up being signed for a "discount," though given the circumstances of both of them, it was pretty fair value. Danks has proven he's durable, he's good, and he's closer to free agency. He's going to get paid. 4/$40 is not nearly enough. If the Sox want to sign him long term, they are going to have to pay him $15 million value, which would be $51 million over the next 4 years. I think he can get more than that, and I think that he thinks he can get more than that, and I'm about 99.7% sure he can. That BOOM! is a door slamming in the White Sox front office because Barry and Danks won't even think about taking $40 million over 4 years. Randy Wolf got $10 million a year. Do you really think that Randy Wolf and John Danks are comparable pitchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 QUOTE (joeynach @ Feb 3, 2011 -> 02:30 AM) I have not heard of the sox offering anything close to what a pitcher like danks would get. Jon Lester got 5 years 30M, Zach Grienke got 4 years 38M. When the sox offer Danks something close to Grienke got then we can talk for real. Until then all we know is that Danks was offered a 4 Year 16M deal, same one that Flloyd accepted. Shocking that he turned it down, hes about 10x better than Gavin. If the sox offered Danks something like 4 Year 40M right now he would probably accept it, 6M in 2011, 8M in 2012, 12M in 2013, 14M in 2014. BOOM! It would have to be for more than that with his service time. We likely don't have the payroll to up his 2011 salary, so something like this might work. 2011: 6MM 2012: 9.5MM 2013: 13.5MM 2014: 15MM 2015: 16.5MM w/ 2MM buyout club option. 4 years/46MM makes sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Feb 3, 2011 -> 04:40 AM) It would have to be for more than that with his service time. We likely don't have the payroll to up his 2011 salary, so something like this might work. 2011: 6MM 2012: 9.5MM 2013: 13.5MM 2014: 15MM 2015: 16.5MM w/ 2MM buyout club option. 4 years/46MM makes sense to me. If John Danks pitches 2 years without getting hurt, he's a $100 million contract pitcher. He hits FA right in the middle of his prime at age 28, as a lefty with an ERA in the low 3's in the AL and good peripherals. He'd be leaving >$50 million on the table by signing that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Danks is quite good, but the Sox better trade him before he touches free agency. We would not win that bidding war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 3, 2011 -> 09:29 AM) Danks is quite good, but the Sox better trade him before he touches free agency. We would not win that bidding war. If you don't win the war, you still have the money available you earmarked to him to spend and some draft picks. I'm not a huge draft pick guy because most are the picks behind where the Sox have annually selected and a lot of people have used as a reason for their poor drafts, but they are better than nothing. If the Sox are a contending team, trading Danks makes little sense unless you are getting guaranteed studs back. Non contending, trading him makes sense. I'd hate to be KW and trade Danks away for a package like Cleveland got for Sabbathia and try to sell Matt LaPorta to the fanbase. It would be better to have Danks finish out his contract. Edited February 4, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 3, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) He's either extended or traded at the end of the this year. Totally agree, KW and JR will not play this arbitration game each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Feb 3, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Totally agree, KW and JR will not play this arbitration game each year. If the Sox win the division this year, and D1 has a good year, they might well just run him out there next year and try to repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 07:35 AM) If the Sox win the division this year, and D1 has a good year, they might well just run him out there next year and try to repeat. Kenny has never been afraid to trade a big named, or popular player, even after winning the World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 3, 2011 -> 07:13 PM) If you don't win the war, you still have the money available you earmarked to him to spend and some draft picks. I'm not a huge draft pick guy because most are the picks behind where the Sox have annually selected and a lot of people have used as a reason for their poor drafts, but they are better than nothing. If the Sox are a contending team, trading Danks makes little sense unless you are getting guaranteed studs back. Non contending, trading him makes sense. I'd hate to be KW and trade Danks away for a package like Cleveland got for Sabbathia and try to sell Matt LaPorta to the fanbase. It would be better to have Danks finish out his contract. I'm completely with you on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 09:25 AM) Kenny has never been afraid to trade a big named, or popular player, even after winning the World Series. But he didn't trade any of them for draft picks after 2005. He did so to try to get better in 2006. Not to rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 08:58 AM) But he didn't trade any of them for draft picks after 2005. He did so to try to get better in 2006. Not to rebuild. He wouldn't trade any of them for draft picks. He'd trade them to free up money and bring in a boatload of young talent on the verge to fill the holes that the team has. Also it would be pretty easy to get out that Danks is looking for $100 million plus as a justification for making the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 10:00 AM) He wouldn't trade any of them for draft picks. He'd trade them to free up money and bring in a boatload of young talent on the verge to fill the holes that the team has. Also it would be pretty easy to get out that Danks is looking for $100 million plus as a justification for making the deal. Same difference though...KW didn't trade off anyone for prospects after 2005. He traded off players to bring in Jim Thome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 09:01 AM) Same difference though...KW didn't trade off anyone for prospects after 2005. He traded off players to bring in Jim Thome. He also didn't have a pending free agent that was going to get the contract that Danks is going to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 Has Kenny ever traded away one of our best players for prospects in an offseason? That seems 100 percent against what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 10:08 AM) Has Kenny ever traded away one of our best players for prospects in an offseason? That seems 100 percent against what he does. Closest examples I can think of are him trading Garcia for Floyd + Gio and trading Lee for Podsednik. Whenever he's had a key component going into the last year of his contract, he's held him rather than dealing him, other than Garcia. (Buehrle and Dye in 2007, Konerko in 2005, Ordonez in 2004, Konerko in 2010, Thome in 2009, Contreras in 2006, Loaiza going into 2004). That doesn't mean he hasn't tried to deal them, but he really hasn't done so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 08:58 AM) But he didn't trade any of them for draft picks after 2005. He did so to try to get better in 2006. Not to rebuild. You can trade for draft picks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 10:27 AM) Closest examples I can think of are him trading Garcia for Floyd + Gio and trading Lee for Podsednik. Whenever he's had a key component going into the last year of his contract, he's held him rather than dealing him, other than Garcia. (Buehrle and Dye in 2007, Konerko in 2005, Ordonez in 2004, Konerko in 2010, Thome in 2009, Contreras in 2006, Loaiza going into 2004). That doesn't mean he hasn't tried to deal them, but he really hasn't done so. Ha those were the exact two I thought of off the top of my head. I'm tired as hell right now so I just wasn't sure if I was forgetting anything bigger or not. But ya, that was my line of thinking and while Garcia was certainly solid, he wasn't our best pitcher at the time like Danks is now and the Carlos Lee trade was just a whole different situation to begin with. Unless Kenny is absolutely blown away by an offer, I can't see Danks being dealt unless we're out of contention by mid July in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 4, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) Ha those were the exact two I thought of off the top of my head. I'm tired as hell right now so I just wasn't sure if I was forgetting anything bigger or not. But ya, that was my line of thinking and while Garcia was certainly solid, he wasn't our best pitcher at the time like Danks is now and the Carlos Lee trade was just a whole different situation to begin with. Unless Kenny is absolutely blown away by an offer, I can't see Danks being dealt unless we're out of contention by mid July in 2012. And I can't see letting your most valuable trade piece that Kenny has ever had, walk away for nothing (and I am sorry, but draft picks still qualify as nothing until we establish more than a two year history of drafting well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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