*Official* Work Out Thread

[Y2HH]

All with dumbells: lateral raises, front raises, overhead press.

 

 

I know you're just kidding, but I've had to work my ass off just to get where I am now. Lost 25 pounds since I started in January, now working on building the muscles.

 

You have to add more compound movements to your shoulder workout. Compound movements involve multiple muscles and are primarily used for "mass" gain as by definition these types of movements allow you to lift much heavier weight. Isolation movements, which are things like lateral raises, are better for definition and tone, but that's not to say they wont add size, too. Compound movements are simply better to add size, whereas isolation movements are better for "shred" or definition.

 

A few things you can try:

 

1) Overhead presses with a BARbell, or a hammer strength machine, NOT dumbells, and not behind your head, either. Performing overhead press movements while bringing the bar behind your head/neck adds nothing to the workout and increases stress on the shoulder tendons. I commonly see people do this in the gym, and it's incorrect.

 

2) If a barbell is impossible for you, try "Arnold" presses with the dumbbells, while not quite as good as the barbell for mass gain, they are better than standard overhead presses.

 

This is an "Arnold" press: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Rtakl0frk

 

3) Add upright rows to your routine.

 

This is an "upright" row:

 

4) Shoulder shrugs. When performing shrugs, never "rotate" through the motion. It's a direct up/down movement. If you rotate your shoulder when performing shrugs, all you are doing is unnecessarily stressing the rotator-cuff. Performing this exercise is harder than people think as people often "cheat" through the motion. When you shrug your shoulder holding dumbbells, hold the top of the shrug for a few seconds, you should feel it in the traps, then, slowly go down to "rest"...rinse/repeat.

 

Finally, some of this depends on your body type. Some people are NOT predisposed to having a natural \/ shape to their body, highlighted by bulky shoulders...if you are not one of those people, it can often be harder to "bulk up" your shoulders, but that's not to say it cannot be done...it just cannot be done very easily without slamming compound shoulder movements.

Edited April 21, 2012 by Y2HH

[iamshack]

You have to add more compound movements to your shoulder workout. Compound movements involve multiple muscles and are primarily used for "mass" gain as by definition these types of movements allow you to lift much heavier weight. Isolation movements, which are things like lateral raises, are better for definition and tone, but that's not to say they wont add size, too. Compound movements are simply better to add size, whereas isolation movements are better for "shred" or definition.

 

A few things you can try:

 

1) Overhead presses with a BARbell, or a hammer strength machine, NOT dumbells, and not behind your head, either. Performing overhead press movements while bringing the bar behind your head/neck adds nothing to the workout and increases stress on the shoulder tendons. I commonly see people do this in the gym, and it's incorrect.

 

2) If a barbell is impossible for you, try "Arnold" presses with the dumbbells, while not quite as good as the barbell for mass gain, they are better than standard overhead presses.

 

This is an "Arnold" press: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Rtakl0frk

 

3) Add upright rows to your routine.

 

This is an "upright" row:

 

4) Shoulder shrugs. When performing shrugs, never "rotate" through the motion. It's a direct up/down movement. If you rotate your shoulder when performing shrugs, all you are doing is unnecessarily stressing the rotator-cuff. Performing this exercise is harder than people think as people often "cheat" through the motion. When you shrug your shoulder holding dumbbells, hold the top of the shrug for a few seconds, you should feel it in the traps, then, slowly go down to "rest"...rinse/repeat.

 

Finally, some of this depends on your body type. Some people are NOT predisposed to having a natural \/ shape to their body, highlighted by bulky shoulders...if you are not one of those people, it can often be harder to "bulk up" your shoulders, but that's not to say it cannot be done...it just cannot be done very easily without slamming compound shoulder movements.

This...a lot of this stuff is so dependent on your body type...I can't really bulk up my arms for s***...but my shoulders really bulk up easily...I think part of it is I caddied for 5 years while I was a teenager, so I was always carrying s*** on my shoulders and lifting things over my head, etc., and it really formed strong shoulder muscles during an important stage of my physical development.

 

Unless you're willing to really go nuts and work at it, sometimes you just have to accept what you naturally have...

 

[Rowand44]

Ran my first 5k today. Paced myself way too much, had a ton left in the tank, once I saw the finish line from way back I was able to do a full out sprint until the end.

[SoxFan1]

Yes, very easily.

 

I do a variation of this:

 

 

I do that at the end of my upper body workouts, especially after I should the S&A P90 routine at the gym. If you can do that routine then this shoulder shredder you will see some good results in the form of the muscle.

This looks like a nice little routine. Definitely going to try this.

 

You have to add more compound movements to your shoulder workout. Compound movements involve multiple muscles and are primarily used for "mass" gain as by definition these types of movements allow you to lift much heavier weight. Isolation movements, which are things like lateral raises, are better for definition and tone, but that's not to say they wont add size, too. Compound movements are simply better to add size, whereas isolation movements are better for "shred" or definition.

 

A few things you can try:

 

1) Overhead presses with a BARbell, or a hammer strength machine, NOT dumbells, and not behind your head, either. Performing overhead press movements while bringing the bar behind your head/neck adds nothing to the workout and increases stress on the shoulder tendons. I commonly see people do this in the gym, and it's incorrect.

 

2) If a barbell is impossible for you, try "Arnold" presses with the dumbbells, while not quite as good as the barbell for mass gain, they are better than standard overhead presses.

 

This is an "Arnold" press: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Rtakl0frk

 

3) Add upright rows to your routine.

 

This is an "upright" row:

 

4) Shoulder shrugs. When performing shrugs, never "rotate" through the motion. It's a direct up/down movement. If you rotate your shoulder when performing shrugs, all you are doing is unnecessarily stressing the rotator-cuff. Performing this exercise is harder than people think as people often "cheat" through the motion. When you shrug your shoulder holding dumbbells, hold the top of the shrug for a few seconds, you should feel it in the traps, then, slowly go down to "rest"...rinse/repeat.

 

Finally, some of this depends on your body type. Some people are NOT predisposed to having a natural \/ shape to their body, highlighted by bulky shoulders...if you are not one of those people, it can often be harder to "bulk up" your shoulders, but that's not to say it cannot be done...it just cannot be done very easily without slamming compound shoulder movements.

First of all, this is all in-home and I don't have any barbells, so that's a no-go, but I'll definitely try the Arnold press. I toss in upright rows frequently, but I never really feel like I'm targeting my shoulder, moreso my traps. Ditto with the shrugs. That's all traps.

[Y2HH]

This looks like a nice little routine. Definitely going to try this.

 

 

First of all, this is all in-home and I don't have any barbells, so that's a no-go, but I'll definitely try the Arnold press. I toss in upright rows frequently, but I never really feel like I'm targeting my shoulder, moreso my traps. Ditto with the shrugs. That's all traps.

 

Shrugs are all traps, it's an isolation exercise, but upright rows are a more of a compound movement that do hit the traps, but they also hit the delts, too.

 

Being that this is all in home, and that you do not have barbell, the best you'll be able to do is the Arnold press and/or overhead presses...if you have heavier dumbbells, try to slowly work your way up to using them.

[SoxFan1]

Shrugs are all traps, it's an isolation exercise, but upright rows are a more of a compound movement that do hit the traps, but they also hit the delts, too.

 

Being that this is all in home, and that you do not have barbell, the best you'll be able to do is the Arnold press and/or overhead presses...if you have heavier dumbbells, try to slowly work your way up to using them.

They're adjustable dumbells, I can work up to 45 pounds for now, but I plan on buying more weight plates soon.

[2nd_city_saint787]

gimme 2 more months.

 

I'm actually working with Jason Scheff (in one of the X2 vids right? and did the music?) right now developing my Beachbody Coach biz. Yeah I'm doing it too. Thus my strong feelings about people who do it without knowing what they're talking about...

 

 

I was working the motivational angle, after all your job title is a Fitness/Motivational coach. The videos and the nutrition guide tell you what to do and what to eat so you dont really need to "know what youre talking about" . Youre a product of the product, you dont really need know anything outside of what the product is teaching you. All youve gotta do is talk about your progress, the progress that youre getting from following the program, and try to get people to do it with you....theres really no outside knowledge needed.

 

But maybe youre right because after 2 months my biz is gonzo, I made 1 ShakeO sale, 1 Brazil Butt Lift sale, and 2 p90x sales (one that I burned for a friend and actually made more than what i woulda got from BB).

 

EDIT that was very redundant, I apologize

Edited April 22, 2012 by 2nd_city_saint787

[Reddy]

I was working the motivational angle, after all your job title is a Fitness/Motivational coach. The videos and the nutrition guide tell you what to do and what to eat so you dont really need to "know what youre talking about" . Youre a product of the product, you dont really need know anything outside of what the product is teaching you. All youve gotta do is talk about your progress, the progress that youre getting from following the program, and try to get people to do it with you....theres really no outside knowledge needed.

 

But maybe youre right because after 2 months my biz is gonzo, I made 1 ShakeO sale, 1 Brazil Butt Lift sale, and 2 p90x sales (one that I burned for a friend and actually made more than what i woulda got from BB).

 

EDIT that was very redundant, I apologize

 

your job is Independent Distributor.

 

that said, i'm glad you're doing P90X - i think it's truly an incredible program. I really do. How's it going for ya?

[2nd_city_saint787]

your job is Independent Distributor.

 

that said, i'm glad you're doing P90X - i think it's truly an incredible program. I really do. How's it going for ya?

 

 

well youre that too, my coach Tiffany, and a lot of other coaches ive got to know on facebook all have their job title on fb as a fitness/motivational coach so thats where I get that from.

 

I actually injured my knee playing rugby so i havent done anything in 2 weeks but I lost 34 pounds in 6 weeks and i did that by simply following the p90x nutrition guide I got and doing what the DVDs told me to do. No outside knowledge was needed.

[Reddy]

well youre that too, my coach Tiffany, and a lot of other coaches ive got to know on facebook all have their job title on fb as a fitness/motivational coach so thats where I get that from.

 

I actually injured my knee playing rugby so i havent done anything in 2 weeks but I lost 34 pounds in 6 weeks and i did that by simply following the p90x nutrition guide I got and doing what the DVDs told me to do. No outside knowledge was needed.

oh yeah dude I'm not arguing the program WORKS. of course it does. It was designed that way for a reason. and no, to be a successful coach you don't have to know anything - you just have to be business and marketing savvy. Unfortunately, because of the way Beachbody's set it up, by calling us "coaches" it misleads everyone involved. People come to you thinking you know more than they do - and if you don't - that's just unfair to them and also to the coaches who actually DO, because it gives us all a bad rap.

[iamshack]

BTW, they are pushing the coaching stuff a lot in the second P90X...before like every routine he talks about it it seems, and how all the people in the videos are coaches...

 

I must say, that part of their business, I don't care for at all...

[Reddy]

BTW, they are pushing the coaching stuff a lot in the second P90X...before like every routine he talks about it it seems, and how all the people in the videos are coaches...

 

I must say, that part of their business, I don't care for at all...

 

yeah I just think the way they've approached it has really sucked. The idea in and of itself would have been a decent one - all these people who have really committed, done the program, and gotten results that are hawking P90X anyway, why not have them do MORE of that and get a cut. Makes sense to me. But the way they're just trying to get EVERY SINGLE PERSON who does a beachbody program to do it is a little messed up.

 

My friend had dinner with Tony and a couple other of the big cats last week, and she said she got LOTS of info that turned her off bigtime on the coaching thing. Haven't had a chance to talk with her about it... but we'll see

[2nd_city_saint787]

oh yeah dude I'm not arguing the program WORKS. of course it does. It was designed that way for a reason. and no, to be a successful coach you don't have to know anything - you just have to be business and marketing savvy. Unfortunately, because of the way Beachbody's set it up, by calling us "coaches" it misleads everyone involved. People come to you thinking you know more than they do - and if you don't - that's just unfair to them and also to the coaches who actually DO, because it gives us all a bad rap.

 

 

Meh IMO all the info you need is in the dvd and in the nutrition guide. Youre supposed to be a product of the product so if you know how the product works then you'll do alright. If someone comes to me asks me if theyre doing deadlifts right or something along those lines its not really part of my job, my job, or our job i guess you can say is to tell them about beachbody products, deadlifts are not part of that. If they ask me about nutrition I can tell them what I know from the nutrition guide I got, if they ask me about the workouts I can tell them what Ive been doing. Doing p90x eliminates any outside questions about working you, the program tells you what to do everyday. As far as supplements go, just by looking at what we sell ill be able to tell them what they might wanna buy....Me personally I do know a thing or 2 on how to lose the weight, I was once 370 pounds and got down to 260 in a lil over 2 years so im not clueless but even if i were I think all the info i need is there for me. If its not I was added to a facebook group with 23 other coaches so im sure I can get the info I need from one of them....Its all mute point though now for me as my biz is done for now

[iamshack]

Meh IMO all the info you need is in the dvd and in the nutrition guide. Youre supposed to be a product of the product so if you know how the product works then you'll do alright. If someone comes to me asks me if theyre doing deadlifts right or something along those lines its not really part of my job, my job, or our job i guess you can say is to tell them about beachbody products, deadlifts are not part of that. If they ask me about nutrition I can tell them what I know from the nutrition guide I got, if they ask me about the workouts I can tell them what Ive been doing. Doing p90x eliminates any outside questions about working you, the program tells you what to do everyday. As far as supplements go, just by looking at what we sell ill be able to tell them what they might wanna buy....Me personally I do know a thing or 2 on how to lose the weight, I was once 370 pounds and got down to 260 in a lil over 2 years so im not clueless but even if i were I think all the info i need is there for me. If its not I was added to a facebook group with 23 other coaches so im sure I can get the info I need from one of them....Its all mute point though now for me as my biz is done for now

Then you shouldn't be called a coach. You should be called a salesman.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Then you shouldn't be called a coach. You should be called a salesman.

 

 

What is it that I should know outside of whats already given to me? I'm a motivational coach, I motivate people by my results....and really, youre right, I tell all the people that i try to get to coach that theres really no coaching involved. You post your progress get people who wanna get the same results so you tell them what youre doing and get them to buy the stuff....I really dont see how any outside knowledge is needed. I did p90x, they tell you what workout to do everyday and if you follow the dvd it shows you how to do the moves so i dont need to tell them anything about how to do the workouts or when to do the workouts, its all there. I received a nutrition guide with my order so if they ask me a question about nutrition I can refer to that...If theyre not ready for p90x I know what workout dvds are easier to do so i can recommend one of those and once again the dvds tell you what to do.....I dont need to make up a workout routine for these people as im trying to sell them beachbody dvds and those dvds will make the routine for you.... So as I keep saying its all there for you.

[Reddy]

What is it that I should know outside of whats already given to me? I'm a motivational coach, I motivate people by my results....and really, youre right, I tell all the people that i try to get to coach that theres really no coaching involved. You post your progress get people who wanna get the same results so you tell them what youre doing and get them to buy the stuff....I really dont see how any outside knowledge is needed. I did p90x, they tell you what workout to do everyday and if you follow the dvd it shows you how to do the moves so i dont need to tell them anything about how to do the workouts or when to do the workouts, its all there. I received a nutrition guide with my order so if they ask me a question about nutrition I can refer to that...If theyre not ready for p90x I know what workout dvds are easier to do so i can recommend one of those and once again the dvds tell you what to do.....I dont need to make up a workout routine for these people as im trying to sell them beachbody dvds and those dvds will make the routine for you.... So as I keep saying its all there for you.

I'm having problems getting to my macros for the day. coach do you have advice on that?

 

I'm a vegetarian but the diet guide doesn't help for that. coach do you have advice on that?

 

I'm having problems landing softly during the jump knee tucks. coach do you have advice for that?

 

I'm not seeing the results I want - should I follow the P90X guide and up my carbs for Phase II or should I stick to the Fat Shredder? coach do you have advice for that?

 

can you answer those questions?

 

[SoxFan1]

Yes, very easily.

 

I do a variation of this:

 

 

I do that at the end of my upper body workouts, especially after I should the S&A P90 routine at the gym. If you can do that routine then this shoulder shredder you will see some good results in the form of the muscle.

This routine is awesome. Just tried it for the first time, feels great.

[Reddy]

This routine is awesome. Just tried it for the first time, feels great.

no kidding. i threw some of it into my Chest/Shoulders/Tris workout today. I think I'm gonna do the whole thing on my Legs+Back days as well.

 

modifying P90X to make it work even better is super fun.

[RockRaines]

no kidding. i threw some of it into my Chest/Shoulders/Tris workout today. I think I'm gonna do the whole thing on my Legs+Back days as well.

 

modifying P90X to make it work even better is super fun.

Thats kind of how I do it. I do a modified S&A routine one day a week and I add in a shoulder exercise like that to really burn mine up. I've seen a TON of growth in my shoulders to the point where some of my suits are getting a bit tight up there. You should see good results.

[2nd_city_saint787]

I'm having problems getting to my macros for the day. coach do you have advice on that?

 

I'm a vegetarian but the diet guide doesn't help for that. coach do you have advice on that?

 

I'm having problems landing softly during the jump knee tucks. coach do you have advice for that?

 

I'm not seeing the results I want - should I follow the P90X guide and up my carbs for Phase II or should I stick to the Fat Shredder? coach do you have advice for that?

 

can you answer those questions?

 

 

If youre following the nutrition guide that you got with your p90x you shouldnt have to worry about your macros. The diet was specifically designed for you as a student of p90x.

 

Get your protein from other sources like tofu or veggie burgers.

 

Focus on bending your knees when you land

 

I myself would just follow whats laid out in the guide as its set up for optimal results. Look at the food decisions you made for phase II of the diet maybe theres something there that you can better.

 

I googled none of those but if push came to shove its an online business and google is your friend, youre not gonna be put on the spot for an answer.....if this was done one on one in person and youre not following a program then things would be different.

[Reddy]

If youre following the nutrition guide that you got with your p90x you shouldnt have to worry about your macros. The diet was specifically designed for you as a student of p90x.

 

Get your protein from other sources like tofu or veggie burgers.

 

Focus on bending your knees when you land

 

I myself would just follow whats laid out in the guide as its set up for optimal results. Look at the food decisions you made for phase II of the diet maybe theres something there that you can better.

 

I googled none of those but if push came to shove its an online business and google is your friend, youre not gonna be put on the spot for an answer.....if this was done one on one in person and youre not following a program then things would be different.

 

you googled none of them, but none of those answers are really encompassing of the questions. for example. I'm doing P90X, but my body fat is already low, so I SHOULDN'T follow the guide exactly. What if you had a client looking to put on muscle as opposed to losing weight? People DO worry about their macros. I have a girl who just couldn't do the fat shredder because she doesn't eat meat/fish. She was getting sick because almost the only thing she ate was protein powder. Not super healthy. But together we came up with a solution that worked for her.

 

And sure the guide is set up for "optimal results" but the guide is also meant for already athletic people. after doing P90X once, I went back and adjusted all my food intake the next time I did it to fit myself better. Others have done the same.

 

Bottom line - everyone's different. Blanket statements like the one you made just don't work.

 

 

 

 

ALL THAT SAID - you can still be successful as an independent distributor for beachbody, as long as you acknowledge what it is you're actually doing, and that you don't also provide coaching but motivation. All you have to do to make money doing this is share your experiences with your friends and family and get them doing it with you. You are right on that front.

 

[Y2HH]

you googled none of them, but none of those answers are really encompassing of the questions. for example. I'm doing P90X, but my body fat is already low, so I SHOULDN'T follow the guide exactly. What if you had a client looking to put on muscle as opposed to losing weight? People DO worry about their macros. I have a girl who just couldn't do the fat shredder because she doesn't eat meat/fish. She was getting sick because almost the only thing she ate was protein powder. Not super healthy. But together we came up with a solution that worked for her.

 

And sure the guide is set up for "optimal results" but the guide is also meant for already athletic people. after doing P90X once, I went back and adjusted all my food intake the next time I did it to fit myself better. Others have done the same.

 

Bottom line - everyone's different. Blanket statements like the one you made just don't work.

 

ALL THAT SAID - you can still be successful as an independent distributor for beachbody, as long as you acknowledge what it is you're actually doing, and that you don't also provide coaching but motivation. All you have to do to make money doing this is share your experiences with your friends and family and get them doing it with you. You are right on that front.

 

I cannot stress this enough to people who ask for advice on dieting and working out.

 

While ANY exercise is better than none, a set of workouts, depending on your goals can always be tailored to your exact needs. Not only will a tailored workout produce better 'desired' results, it will do so in a shorter amount of time. The same goes for a tailored diet to your specific metabolism, needs, etc. That said, people that 'just don't care', by all means, "generalized" programs such as P90X are MUCH better than the alternative of just not doing anything.

 

In my experience, and I've done P90X, it's an EXCELLENT workout, but caters more to the cardio crowd than the weight lifting/strength crowd. I fall somewhere in between those two crowds...where I love a few days of hitting the weights combined with a few days of cardio type workouts, be it P90X, running, elliptical, etc.

[Leonard Zelig]

I don't know if this has been discussed here, but I was just told that Maren, the German Potato Soup girl from P90X, has done some hardcore porn. Her name is Maren Beautte and the videos are not hard to find.

 

While researching, I also found that Tony Horton appeared in a softcore porn film called, Rebecca's Secret. Not sure if he was a "performer" or not.

 

Sorry if this is old news.

[iamshack]

I don't know if this has been discussed here, but I was just told that Maren, the German Potato Soup girl from P90X, has done some hardcore porn. Her name is Maren Beautte and the videos are not hard to find.

 

While researching, I also found that Tony Horton appeared in a softcore porn film called, Rebecca's Secret. Not sure if he was a "performer" or not.

 

Sorry if this is old news.

Haha! Now just find Audrey from the yoga video!

[Leonard Zelig]

Haha! Now just find Audrey from the yoga video!

 

Sophia :wub: