witesoxfan Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 09:34 PM) I can respect that. At the end of the day, I think Young>Morel for 2011 if you take out salary. But of course you can't take out all the salary, though some would be, and you then have to consider 2012 and 2013 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 06:15 PM) Viciedo? You think I was bad after the Hudson trade? My wrath would be godlike if that abomination were to occur. Then I hope it doesn't happen solely for that reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2011 -> 10:34 PM) I can respect that. At the end of the day, I think Young>Morel for 2011 if you take out salary. Really, it's hard to disagree with the sentiment...and I'll admit I'm always more pumped about our young guys than others, but I think Morel is going to seriously impress this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) Really, it's hard to disagree with the sentiment...and I'll admit I'm always more pumped about our young guys than others, but I think Morel is going to seriously impress this year. I've not nothing against Morel, and I think he will be a solid player. I just think if we have a chance at Michael Young for 2011 remembering the whole "All-in" thing, we take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 11:34 AM) I've not nothing against Morel, and I think he will be a solid player. I just think if we have a chance at Michael Young for 2011 remembering the whole "All-in" thing, we take it. I hear what you're saying, I just think we're more all-in with Brent than with Young. I really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) I hear what you're saying, I just think we're more all-in with Brent than with Young. I really do. I fully agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,995467.column Both Chicago teams need him, with Cubs' deal seemingly easier to make Phil Rogers On Baseball 1:27 p.m. CST, February 12, 2011 * EmailE-mail * printPrint * Share * increase text size decrease text size Text Size sc-spt-0213-notes-rogers-baseball--20110212 Michael Young is one of White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen's favorite players. He long has been one of Cubs hitting coach's Rudy Jaramillo's favorite hitting pupils and could fill a nagging need of the Cubs as a leadoff hitter/second baseman. Could Young wind up in spring training with one of Chicago's teams instead of the Rangers? It's a possibility. A trade to the Cubs or White Sox — or Dodgers, Mets, Rockies, Astros or Tigers, for that matter — makes more sense than anything that has happened to Young since he helped push the Rangers, his team for the last 10 seasons, to the World Series. Young asked for a trade last week, saying he felt "misled and manipulated'' because general manager Jon Daniels signed free-agent third baseman Adrian Beltre and traded for catcher-first baseman-DH Mike Napoli. The Rangers' position players are to report to spring training Feb. 20 in Arizona and it's likely the Young situation will be resolved by then. Get tickets to Chicago Live!, a stage show brought to you by the Chicago Tribune and The Second City >> In surveying the landscape after Young's trade request, the Rangers discussed a variety of possible landing places, with the Cubs among them. Center fielder Marlon Byrd, a productive Ranger under Ron Washington in 2007-09, is believed to be on the list of players they would consider for Young. But what if Daniels was so determined not to deal with daily questions about the unhappy Young that he would consider another former Ranger in exchange — outfielder Alfonso Soriano, who could replace Young as a primary DH? While a source with the Cubs indicated Friday there were no ongoing conversations with the Rangers regarding Young, they are monitoring the situation like many other teams. And why not? Young-for-Soriano might be the best possible fit. For all the knocks on Soriano, last year he had 24 home runs and 79 RBIs in 496 at-bats. His .818 OPS was better than all but four American League teams (Rangers, Twins, Red Sox and Orioles) got from designated hitters. While Young played a shaky third base a year ago, scouts believe he still has the range, arm and instincts to be a solid second baseman. He started his big-league career there before moving to shortstop to accommodate the addition of Soriano in the Alex Rodriguez trade seven seasons ago. Young was strictly a shortstop when Guillen managed him in the 2006 All-Star Game, but his willingness to play second base helped Guillen engineer a dramatic victory for the AL. Soriano, of course, has a full no-trade clause. But if he would waive it to go back to the Rangers, Cubs GM Jim Hendry would jump at the chance to clear an outfield spot for Tyler Colvin, with prospect Brett Jackson on his way and a large cast of potential fourth outfielders (including Reed Johnson, Fernando Perez, Lou Montanez, Brad Snyder, Bryan LaHair and James Adduci) expected in Mesa. Young, a career .300 hitter who has averaged 185 hits per season, has a limited no-trade clause that would block deals to all but eight teams; the Angels, Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees, Twins, Astros, Rockies and Padres. But he appears so angry with Daniels that he would waive his no-trade deal to go to several other places. Any move the Rangers make would have to be one that could help them in 2011, as they are in a win-now mode and already have a deep farm system. They are apparently willing to pay a significant portion of Young's remaining $48 million ($16 million a year through 2013). But the difficulty of making a deal that would bring salary relief and useful players could force them to consider other teams' contract mistakes, like Soriano, the Astros' Carlos Lee or the Mets' Jason Bay and Francisco Rodriguez (the latter of whom would allow Neftali Feliz to be moved to the rotation). The White Sox don't appear to have a huge need for Young, but he would be a major upgrade over rookie third baseman Brent Morel. The best fit here would be Edwin Jackson and Morel or Dayan Viciedo for Young, an advanced pitching prospect and enough money to offset the differences in salary. With a week to go before Young is to report to Arizona, the Rangers are telling other teams they would hang onto Young rather than just take the highest offer for him. But club President Nolan Ryan is close to Young and may feel a responsibility to bring this out-of-nowhere showdown to a close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juddling Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I read this off of MLB the other day about Young..... Young said Monday that he has asked the Rangers to trade him, but his partial no-trade clause stipulates there are only eight teams he will approve a trade to: Rockies, Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Yankees, Twins, Cardinals and Astros. Once again...a major leaguer with a choice of teams doesn't have the Sox on their list and sometimes i really just wonder. Putting my sox bias aside...i would think looking at this team with the pitching staff...the Adam Dunn pickup....as well as retaining AJ and Paulie....and the fact that theSox don't have a proven 3B guy, that it might look rather inviting to him. Looking at his list....he's from California and he's been in Texas for a long time so i guess the Angels, Dodgers, Padres and Astros make sense (does wanting to go the the 'Stros EVER really make sense??) Maybe the Yank-me's cause he knows they would probably overpay for his services. The Twins could use him at third but i wouldn't see them paying him that much. Not really sure about the Rockies and the Cardnials. Personally...i wouldn't like to see him in a Sox uniform but i am always curious why players don't usually have Chicago on their list of choices. Maybe he doesn't play well at the Cell???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (juddling @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 06:06 PM) I read this off of MLB the other day about Young..... Young said Monday that he has asked the Rangers to trade him, but his partial no-trade clause stipulates there are only eight teams he will approve a trade to: Rockies, Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Yankees, Twins, Cardinals and Astros. Once again...a major leaguer with a choice of teams doesn't have the Sox on their list and sometimes i really just wonder. Putting my sox bias aside...i would think looking at this team with the pitching staff...the Adam Dunn pickup....as well as retaining AJ and Paulie....and the fact that theSox don't have a proven 3B guy, that it might look rather inviting to him. Looking at his list....he's from California and he's been in Texas for a long time so i guess the Angels, Dodgers, Padres and Astros make sense (does wanting to go the the 'Stros EVER really make sense??) Maybe the Yank-me's cause he knows they would probably overpay for his services. The Twins could use him at third but i wouldn't see them paying him that much. Not really sure about the Rockies and the Cardnials. Personally...i wouldn't like to see him in a Sox uniform but i am always curious why players don't usually have Chicago on their list of choices. Maybe he doesn't play well at the Cell???? Youngs list is odd. Usually they include the biggest teams so that they can control negotiations. They know they aren't getting traded to someone like Pittsburgh, but maybe they can get an option year exercized or something in exchange for agreeing to NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (juddling @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) Young said Monday that he has asked the Rangers to trade him, but his partial no-trade clause stipulates there are only eight teams he will approve a trade to: Rockies, Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Yankees, Twins, Cardinals and Astros. Rockies: Won't spend money on a player his age Angels: Could use him, but Vernon Wells' deal is a lot of cash Dodgers: Maybe, but doubtful with the McCourt divorce Padres: Won't spend the money Yankees: Don't need infield Twins: Possible, but unlikely with their budget Cardinals: May not spend the money on Young before re-signing Pujols Astros: Won't spend the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,995467.column Phil Rogers is just...ugh. Why would the Rangers want to take in more payroll in Soriano? He's getting paid $72 million for the next 4 years and he's declining just as fast as Michael Young is, if not even faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 12, 2011 -> 07:38 PM) Phil Rogers is just...ugh. Why would the Rangers want to take in more payroll in Soriano? He's getting paid $72 million for the next 4 years and he's declining just as fast as Michael Young is, if not even faster. In a world where Vernon Wells's deal somehow became moveable, I'm willing to believe almost anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Young is 34 and getting close to the danger zone. Verducci had an article the other day which showed only 3 guys 36 and over played at least 100 games in the field in 2010 and had a league average OPS. Young is not a guy you want to owe $50 million to the next 3 years especially since his game is mostly offense. Even if Texas ate a ton of money, I really don't think he'd be much of an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) Young is 34 and getting close to the danger zone. Verducci had an article the other day which showed only 3 guys 36 and over played at least 100 games in the field in 2010 and had a league average OPS. Young is not a guy you want to owe $50 million to the next 3 years especially since his game is mostly offense. Even if Texas ate a ton of money, I really don't think he'd be much of an upgrade. Thanks for the Kenny Loggins / Top Gun flashback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) Young is 34 and getting close to the danger zone. Verducci had an article the other day which showed only 3 guys 36 and over played at least 100 games in the field in 2010 and had a league average OPS. Young is not a guy you want to owe $50 million to the next 3 years especially since his game is mostly offense. Even if Texas ate a ton of money, I really don't think he'd be much of an upgrade. That would be an assumption for any deal. I was using the idea of a Teahen + half of Youngs remaining salary as a basis for a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) That would be an assumption for any deal. I was using the idea of a Teahen + half of Youngs remaining salary as a basis for a deal. I do that deal in a heartbeat, but it really makes no sense for Texas. If they have to deal Young, they could do better than $3 million a year in salary relief, if you take the $8 million savings plus the $5 million owed to Teahen and Teahen services. Texas really botched this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) I do that deal in a heartbeat, but it really makes no sense for Texas. If they have to deal Young, they could do better than $3 million a year in salary relief, if you take the $8 million savings plus the $5 million owed to Teahen and Teahen services. Texas really botched this up. When I saw someone mention it earlier it was about $5.5 million in salary savings for Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 From Merkin's mailbag http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws Do you think the White Sox could make a run for Michael Young? I could see giving up one of our third basemen and a good set of prospects for him along with taking on his contract. -- Joe, Chicago Young automatically gets tied to the White Sox because of the slight uncertainty at third base, and Ozzie Guillen holding Young in high favor. In fact, during a Spring Training Q&A I did with Guillen a couple of years ago, the White Sox manager picked Young when I asked for his favorite player outside of the organization. According to our outstanding Rangers reporter, T.R. Sullivan, the White Sox are not on Young's approved trade list, so the discussion seems to end at this point. Of course, Williams has dealt with no-trade clauses or unsure participants previously and convinced them to come to Chicago. Being at their spending limit, help would have to be thrown in to accommodate the $48 million Young is owed over three years. Remember, though, the White Sox really like the defense Brent Morel brings to the field every day, and they have not lost faith in Mark Teahen or Dayan Viciedo. So, for now, I would say Young is unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 08:06 AM) From Merkin's mailbag http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws From your posted mailbag. Young automatically gets tied to the White Sox because of the slight uncertainty at third base, and Ozzie Guillen holding Young in high favor. In fact, during a Spring Training Q&A I did with Guillen a couple of years ago, the White Sox manager picked Young when I asked for his favorite player outside of the organization. If this were last year, I'd think this part matters. However, this year is all about Kenny putting the team out there he wants and Ozzie falling in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 For f***'s sake why in the world would we give up Danks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 11:51 AM) For f***'s sake why in the world would we give up Danks? To be blunt, people aren't smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 15, 2011 -> 08:06 AM) From Merkin's mailbag http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws "Remember, though, the White Sox really like the defense Brent Morel brings to the field every day, and they have not lost faith in Mark Teahen or Dayan Viciedo." I call BS. The Sox know Teahen and Viciedo are not MLB 3B and Merkin should stop publicly claiming they still have faith that they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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