knightni Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) Your choices pretty much are throw away a few games on a bad AAA pitcher, burn up the pen, or burn up the starters in April. I go with throwing a Marquez/Harrell, or someone like that and wasting just a few games instead off burning up vital pitchers at the start of the season. Who are you sending down to create this 25 man spot? - They want an extra hitter in there until Peavy comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:35 AM) Who are you sending down to create this 25 man spot? Start Peavy on the dl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) Start Peavy on the dl. Â Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 It's pretty simple imo: Peavy starts on the dl, let Humber take a few spot starts(yes I know he's garbage but he's the best of the garbage that we have) and then dfa him or whatever the hell you need to do when Jake's ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 The whole purpose of the thread is that the article insinuates that they want extra bench or bullpen help. Â If they have 7 relievers, they can keep 4 starters and have an extra defensive replacement/pinch hitter. Â Something Ozzie wants anyway to keep up his rotating DH debacle going (giving Dunn a day off, 1B, LF/RF - you know Oz will do it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) It's pretty simple imo: Peavy starts on the dl, let Humber take a few spot starts(yes I know he's garbage but he's the best of the garbage that we have) and then dfa him or whatever the hell you need to do when Jake's ready to go. Â I'll be sure not to watch any games in which Humber, Harrell or Pena start. Maybe I can come to your spot and get wasted on those days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:53 AM) I'll be sure not to watch any games in which Humber, Harrell or Pena start. Maybe I can come to your spot and get wasted on those days? Ha, sounds like a plan to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Any mentions of Pena starting again make me want to vomit. Â Anyways, Ozzie's take on this is kind of curious, for him at least. Â As far as Peavy, I'd thought I'd read that his lat is good to go, and now its a simple as getting that arm strength back. He's either going to be ready, or he's not going to be, but it's useless to speculate until we see what happens in ST. I'm not going to demand he start on the DL unless he's simply not ready to go. As far as that fifth spot, I'd prefer to throw whoever out there if Jake isn't ready to go and not have to go on short rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) Any mentions of Pena starting again make me want to vomit. I thought that was Smirnoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 IIRC, everyone in our rotation got better by somewhere between 0.2 and 1 run last year when they got 5 days rest, not just 4. Going on 3 days rest a lot early is just asking for our pitchers to get lit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:50 AM) The whole purpose of the thread is that the article insinuates that they want extra bench or bullpen help. This actually kinda makes sense. Lilliputian is out of options, so he has to make the team. The bench with 4 looks like this:  Castro Vizquel Teahen Lilliputian  If you can add an extra guy, you get: Castro Vizquel Teahen Lilliputian De Aza/Milledge  In the 2nd case, you have a legit backup OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) This actually kinda makes sense. Lilliputian is out of options, so he has to make the team. The bench with 4 looks like this: Castro Vizquel Teahen Lilliputian  If you can add an extra guy, you get: Castro Vizquel Teahen Lilliputian De Aza/Milledge  In the 2nd case, you have a legit backup OF. Just because a guy is out of options doesn't mean he has to make the team. Lillibridge better have a good spring training, or he'll most likely be searching for another form of income very soon. With Omar and Teahen around, Lillibridge is on the outside looking in. Edited February 13, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) Just because a guy is out of options doesn't mean he has to make the team. Lillibridge better have a good spring training, or he'll most likely be searching for another form of income very soon. With Omar and Teahen around, Lillibridge is on the outside looking in. I think it will take an awful lot for the Sox to let Lillibridge walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Another worry with 4 man rotation is if Gavin gets off to his usual ugly start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I think that isnt being said here is that in April with the weather etc, its likely that the Sox are going to have at least 1-2 extra off days which means that a 4 man rotation would be on regular rest for that stretch. Â If you can use your 4 best starters on regular rest due to scheduling, you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) Another worry with 4 man rotation is if Gavin gets off to his usual ugly start. One of these years, he's going to have a good april, and then by the end of June people are going to be comparing him and King Felix for who's winning the Cy Young race. (I hope). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) I think it will take an awful lot for the Sox to let Lillibridge walk. I think you are wrong. They know he sucks and is a back up at best for his career. His star has lost a lot of shine. He fans way too much. I believe the only way Lillibridge makes the team is with a big spring and/or an injury to Vizquel, or Morel showing he needs to go back to AAA. That is barring any trades. He's basically fighting for his baseball life IMO. Guys like him are a dime a dozen and they really don't have to keep him to hope to show something fromt the Vazquez trade now that Javy has moved on to yet another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 10:31 AM) Your choices pretty much are throw away a few games on a bad AAA pitcher, burn up the pen, or burn up the starters in April. I go with throwing a Marquez/Harrell, or someone like that and wasting just a few games instead off burning up vital pitchers at the start of the season. I agree. Plus in April, the pitchers are feeling strong, the weather might not be condusive to hitting, hitters might lose a little mental sharpness because of the name. If a mediocre minor leaguer is ever going to slide by other than meaningless September games, its then. Edited February 13, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) I think you are wrong. They know he sucks and is a back up at best for his career. His star has lost a lot of shine. He fans way too much. I believe the only way Lillibridge makes the team is with a big spring and/or an injury to Vizquel, or Morel showing he needs to go back to AAA. That is barring any trades. He's basically fighting for his baseball life IMO. Guys like him are a dime a dozen and they really don't have to keep him to hope to show something fromt the Vazquez trade now that Javy has moved on to yet another team. The other side of it though...if Vizquel ever retires, he's a solid, cheap, 2-3 year option as a backup utility infielder who can cover all 3 positions and backup CF as well...and his competition is De Aza and Milledge, which means there's not exactly anything likely to look amazing that he's blocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Oh man it's almost here! First game 2 weeks from tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) I agree. Plus in April, the pitchers are feeling strong, the weather might not be condusive to hitting, hitters might lose a little mental sharpness because of the name. If a mediocre minor leaguer is ever going to slide by other than meaningless September games, its then. Pitchers feel strong in April? I've heard lots more complaints about how they're just getting over their late-spring dead-arm periods in april. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Lillibridge was scalding the ball when he first came up in June and July for Teahen. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) This actually kinda makes sense. Lilliputian is out of options, so he has to make the team. The bench with 4 looks like this: Castro Vizquel Teahen Lilliputian  If you can add an extra guy, you get: Castro Vizquel Teahen Lilliputian De Aza/Milledge  In the 2nd case, you have a legit backup OF.  Mark Teahen is more than capable of playing LF and RF off the bench. I've pointed this out to you. Lillibridge is more than capable in CF, which I think is a well understood point.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Mark Teahen is more than capable of playing LF and RF off the bench. I've pointed this out to you. Lillibridge is more than capable in CF, which I think is a well understood point. Pointing it out to me is one thing...pointing it out to the guy making the lineups is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 This would not be the best idea. We've already seen Buehrle lose it in the 2nd half more than once before and we've seen what it does to the rest of the starters during our 5th starter roulette wheel in the early 2000's. I would only do this if all of our possible 5th starters really suck it up in ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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