Real Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Per MLB network just now Jed Hoyer (rumored to be) leaving Padres to join Epstein in Cubs FO @_@ edit: this makes the AGon deal look even MORE like tampering/intentionally damaging ones own system Edited October 19, 2011 by Real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 08:11 AM) Except that Boston could sit on him for a year. Anyone who comes into Chicago is obviously their second choice. Hell the Red Sox could reassign Theo to something else in their organization just to get rid of him. They can sit on him, but would have to pay him $7.5 million with what his contract reads with a bonus. That's some money that could be spent paying over slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 03:23 AM) Per MLB network just now Jed Hoyer (rumored to be) leaving Padres to join Epstein in Cubs FO @_@ edit: this makes the AGon deal look even MORE like tampering/intentionally damaging ones own system That's really hard to believe...a guy taking a demotion to go work for the Cubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 08:31 AM) They can sit on him, but would have to pay him $7.5 million with what his contract reads with a bonus. That's some money that could be spent paying over slot. What is his contract like if they were to sit on him through say, the end of January? Leave the Cubs GM-less through the entire offseason then drop their price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 07:31 AM) They can sit on him, but would have to pay him $7.5 million with what his contract reads with a bonus. That's some money that could be spent paying over slot. I think you are wrong here. The bonus is there if he finishes out his term. He is electing to pursue another job, therefore, a retention bonus is probably out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 07:33 AM) That's really hard to believe...a guy taking a demotion to go work for the Cubs? He wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 08:46 AM) He wouldn't. Hoyer is GM Theo is President You can say Hoyer is making a lateral move for more money I would assume but do you think he has any say and is really getting any power. Theo is running the team. President of baseball operations does what exactly, if the GM is making all of the personnel decisions. The A Gon trade then looks really, really bad now for SD. Josh Byrnes is in the equation as well with Hoyer. Personally I think Hoyer is let go but nobody will bring up that trade. Maybe teams will give Theo all-stars to rebuild the cubs. Edited October 19, 2011 by Harry Chappas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:29 AM) Hoyer is GM Theo is President You can say Hoyer is making a lateral move for more money I would assume but do you think he has any say and is really getting any power. Theo is running the team. President of baseball operations does what exactly, if the GM is making all of the personnel decisions. The A Gon trade then looks really, really bad now for SD. Josh Byrnes is in the equation as well with Hoyer. Personally I think Hoyer is let go but nobody will bring up that trade. Maybe teams will give Theo all-stars to rebuild the cubs. Exactly. And not only money, but opportunity of a bigger market and payroll. Let's face is San Diego isn't exactly a prime job, especially when compared to the Cubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 So the Cubs are going to spend $8 mil a year on their team President and GM (Guessing that Hoyer must need a raise to make a lateral move, so I'd imagine ~$3 mil a year, then 4 years/$20 for Theo)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 ESherman_Crains Ed Sherman by PWSullivan Cubs, Cardinals: St. Louis is going to its third World Series since Cubs won last playoff game in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 10:39 AM) ESherman_Crains Ed Sherman by PWSullivan Cubs, Cardinals: St. Louis is going to its third World Series since Cubs won last playoff game in 2003. Cardinals have won 16 pennants that is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 jonmorosi Jon Morosi Theo Epstein to #Cubs compensation talks were progressing well as of this morning, source says. #RedSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 No way Hoyer or Byrnes are going to go become Asst. GM's with the Cubs. I supposed if Epstein is going to be president it could work, but that is a lot of money that will be spent on front office people (possibly smart money though cause good baseball people in your front office are worth there weight in gold). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 If anyone was listening to the SCORE last night at 5:30, there was a guest on that went off on Theo. The call dropped from a bad cell but this was not a caller it was a national guy and he was ripping Theo to shreds. It sounded like a Sox fan. B&B were almost speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 David Haugh Finally, @PWSullivan reports Cubs will make it official Fri at Wrigley with introduction of Theo Epstein. First domino and it's a giant one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 10:12 AM) David Haugh Finally, @PWSullivan reports Cubs will make it official Fri at Wrigley with introduction of Theo Epstein. First domino and it's a giant one. Oh s*** the first domino has fallen en route to a Cubs 70 win season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 04:46 PM) Oh s*** the first domino has fallen en route to a Cubs 70 win season!!! Yeah, I truly don't get the hype. Also, Boston fans should be livid, as it seems this was in motion before the season ended if it's true that Ricketts met with Hoyer during the last series of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Yeah, I truly don't get the hype. Also, Boston fans should be livid, as it seems this was in motion before the season ended if it's true that Ricketts met with Hoyer during the last series of the season. Lost in all this hype is that the reason the Cubs mgmt is bringing in "Moneyball" type mgmt is because they intend on spending alot less money on their roster. I am not sure that would excite any rational baseball fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 04:52 PM) Lost in all this hype is that the reason the Cubs mgmt is bringing in "Moneyball" type mgmt is because they intend on spending alot less money on their roster. I am not sure that would excite any rational baseball fan. I will believe it when I see it with regards to them not spending as much money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman it has been determined jed hoyer will go to chicago with theo and be #cubs gm. not sure epstein trade finalized yet tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 11:16 AM) SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman it has been determined jed hoyer will go to chicago with theo and be #cubs gm. not sure epstein trade finalized yet tho Holy s***, I can't believe that's actually true. Well, they are definitely pouring money into their management... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 MikeSilvermanBB Michael Silverman by mlbtraderumors #RedSox not as optimistic as Chicago sources that a Theo deal is near. More soon. #Cubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 The Jed Hoyer thing is interesting. Look I hate the cubs as much as anyone but how does baseball not look into this more? This is blatant tampering. The Gonzalez trade to Boston looks really fishy here to me. Does San Diego just want to get out of whatever is owed to Hoyer? I ma not certain these moves will do anything but there are certainly enough teams looking to rid themselves of too much stuff here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 12:08 PM) The Jed Hoyer thing is interesting. Look I hate the cubs as much as anyone but how does baseball not look into this more? This is blatant tampering. The Gonzalez trade to Boston looks really fishy here to me. Does San Diego just want to get out of whatever is owed to Hoyer? I ma not certain these moves will do anything but there are certainly enough teams looking to rid themselves of too much stuff here. Because they were friends? It's not like they got him traded to the Cubs then both went there....It was clear that Hoyer had guys he liked from the Sox system and Theo took advantage of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) Because they were friends? It's not like they got him traded to the Cubs then both went there....It was clear that Hoyer had guys he liked from the Sox system and Theo took advantage of that. to me it does not pass the smell test Why Hoyer would leave to become theo's lackey says a-lot about him to me....why would the Padres let him leave is a bigger question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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