LittleHurt05 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2011 -> 09:00 AM) Which brings up the question...what would happen to a guy like Cooper or Duncan, etc., if they went somewhere else? Mike Maddux had a good year or two to start off in Milwaukee IIRC, but then his staffs started underachieving. Now he's pulling Ogando's out of his hat in Texas. Ogando's not the best example, because I think he is that talented. If it wasn't for his visa issues, he would have been here earlier, probably for another team. Would Duncan/Cooper have the same success elsewhere? Time would only tell, but I think they have done it with several players who other coaches couldn't fix, so I would assume they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 30, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) Ogando's not the best example, because I think he is that talented. If it wasn't for his visa issues, he would have been here earlier, probably for another team. Would Duncan/Cooper have the same success elsewhere? Time would only tell, but I think they have done it with several players who other coaches couldn't fix, so I would assume they would. Word on Ogando. He would've been up long before last year if not for the human trafficking scandal he was involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) It is. Then I can throw Westbrook, Carpenter (he wasn't s*** before he was a Cardinal), Weaver ('06 playoffs say hello), Franklin (though that didn't last), Jeff Suppan and Jason Marquis. That's just off the top of my head. I don't think there's a consensus, as we're talking pitching coaches here. But nobody sounds silly if they declare Duncan the best. Nope. The general feeling around the league, according to baseball analysts, are that Cooper and Duncan are two of the very best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 30, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) Nope. The general feeling around the league, according to baseball analysts, are that Cooper and Duncan are two of the very best. Everyone's agreeing on that Gage. The statement I challenged was that Duncan was unquestionably the single best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I heard Michael Kaye on the radio this morning and TWICE he mentioned that the Yankees would be looking to add a starter "like a King Felix" before the deadline. Is Felix even available? The fact that he said it 2x made me wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) I heard Michael Kaye on the radio this morning and TWICE he mentioned that the Yankees would be looking to add a starter "like a King Felix" before the deadline. Is Felix even available? The fact that he said it 2x made me wonder. The Mariners are in contention, if you haven't noticed. So that's a big no. It would have been a big no even if the Mariners sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) I heard Michael Kaye on the radio this morning and TWICE he mentioned that the Yankees would be looking to add a starter "like a King Felix" before the deadline. Is Felix even available? The fact that he said it 2x made me wonder. lol. Good Bye Cano, Montero, Betances and Banuelos. Felix ain't goin' anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 10:07 AM) The Mariners are in contention, if you haven't noticed. So that's a big no. It would have been a big no even if the Mariners sucked. well, exactly, which was why I was wondering why he would bring up Felix. He didn't say Verlander or Weaver, but Felix. Twice. Like he knew something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) I heard Michael Kaye on the radio this morning and TWICE he mentioned that the Yankees would be looking to add a starter "like a King Felix" before the deadline. Is Felix even available? The fact that he said it 2x made me wonder. Of course they will look for it, but they will end up with someone like Liriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 01:06 PM) I heard Michael Kaye on the radio this morning and TWICE he mentioned that the Yankees would be looking to add a starter "like a King Felix" before the deadline. Is Felix even available? The fact that he said it 2x made me wonder. No, Felix is not available. The Mariners have pitched themselves into contention and Felix recently signed a contract extension through 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) I heard Michael Kaye on the radio this morning and TWICE he mentioned that the Yankees would be looking to add a starter "like a King Felix" before the deadline. Is Felix even available? The fact that he said it 2x made me wonder. Michael Kay is a tool and this idea that the Yankees can trade for anyone simply because they are the Yankees and have money is absurd. I hope they miss the playoffs. It really would be nice if baseball somehow found a way to regulate payrolls in the next CBA, but I don't see any way that's possible with the strength of the MLBPA and the lack of stones on Bud Selig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Danks might be sought after by them. They need a lefty. Of course, Edwin Jackson would be easier to part with, but he's not much better than the guys that they have right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) Danks might be sought after by them. They need a lefty. Of course, Edwin Jackson would be easier to part with, but he's not much better than the guys that they have right now. Sabathia has a 3.9 WAR Edwin has about a 2.5 WAR Garcia has a 1.1 WAR Burnett has a 0.9 WAR Nova has a 0.7 WAR Gordon has a -0.2 WAR Yankees 2-5 starters (2.5 WAR) So, yeah, Edwin is basically as good as all of their starting pitchers COMBINED this year (minus Sabathia, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 06:49 PM) Sabathia has a 3.9 WAR Edwin has about a 2.5 WAR Garcia has a 1.1 WAR Burnett has a 0.9 WAR Nova has a 0.7 WAR Gordon has a -0.2 WAR Yankees 2-5 starters (2.5 WAR) So, yeah, Edwin is basically as good as all of their starting pitchers COMBINED this year (minus Sabathia, of course). That may be true; but in a results sense, he hasn't been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 2, 2011 Author Share Posted July 2, 2011 Putz to the dl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 06:22 PM) That may be true; but in a results sense, he hasn't been. He's just "winning ugly". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 Tim Hudson fell down mid pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) Sabathia has a 3.9 WAR Edwin has about a 2.5 WAR Garcia has a 1.1 WAR Burnett has a 0.9 WAR Nova has a 0.7 WAR Gordon has a -0.2 WAR Yankees 2-5 starters (2.5 WAR) So, yeah, Edwin is basically as good as all of their starting pitchers COMBINED this year (minus Sabathia, of course). Bart has a 1.5 WAR... And this stuff with Edwin and his advanced statistics is crazy...so is he incredibly unlucky then or are some of these advanced metrics still a bit questionable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 2, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) Tim Hudson fell down mid pitch. like "Haha" fell down? Or like "Oh s*** something aint right" fell down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 3, 2011 Author Share Posted July 3, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 2, 2011 -> 10:34 PM) like "Haha" fell down? Or like "Oh s*** something aint right" fell down?he got up and there was much laughing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 2, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) he got up and there was much laughing. Good to hear; he's had to battle enough through injuries. Giants beating up on the Tigers 10-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 2, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) Good to hear; he's had to battle enough through injuries. Giants beating up on the Tigers 10-0. glad it did not get washed away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 2, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) Bart has a 1.5 WAR... And this stuff with Edwin and his advanced statistics is crazy...so is he incredibly unlucky then or are some of these advanced metrics still a bit questionable? Context is everything. The reason why Jackson has an ERA a whole run higher than his FIP is because he's getting hit hard. He's giving up 25% line drives. So his .340 something BABIP is not a coincidence, per say. Jackson's tERA is 4.28, which is pretty much what his ERA is right now. In cases where guys are getting shelled by high LD rates, it's easy to see how FIP might not work. The same thing goes for Zack Greinke right now, too, but to an absolute extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Good god John Lackey is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 As I go to more baseball games this year (yesterday, Pirates at Nats) and watch others on TV I'm struck by the number of mediocre hitters when they show stats across the screen. Sure you'll occasionally see a guy hitting .297 or .313 but that seems to be rare... lineups are full of guys hitting .228 and s***. Is it just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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