southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) Huh? The NFL is a cash cow, granted, but MLB is a solid 2nd place in total revenues. It blows the NBA out of the water. The NBA doesn't publicly admit its revenues, but a simple estimate suggests it's somewhere near $2 billion, while MLB topped $7 billion last year. And although attendance is down, advertising and cable revenues, especially local franchise revenues, are soaring. Revenues are a terrible comparison of viability when comparing leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) Revenues are a terrible comparison of viability when comparing leagues. Tell that to the person who brought them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:19 PM) Tell that to the person who brought them up. Accounting 101 cash flows/= revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) Accounting 101 cash flows/= revenue. In what sense is the cash flow for the NBA greater than for MLB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) In what sense is the cash flow for the NBA greater than for MLB? Its not, and it isn't going to be. That's why comparing the two is a terrible show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) Its not, and it isn't going to be. That's why comparing the two is a terrible show. So...when I went after the claim that: QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) MLB doesn't really dent the cash flow like the NFL, NBA.on the NBA part, I was right, MLB nearly doubles the NBA (maybe more now that the NBA is legitimately struggling), the revenue makes up the bulk of the cash flow in both cases, and yet I'm still wrong about something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 04:52 PM) Every day I come to this site hoping to see a thread that says a real change has been made to the composition of this team. So disappointing. Whaddya mean? Hector Santiago doesn't float your boat? (green) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) So...when I went after the claim that: on the NBA part, I was right, MLB nearly doubles the NBA (maybe more now that the NBA is legitimately struggling), the revenue makes up the bulk of the cash flow in both cases, and yet I'm still wrong about something? Other than it being a comparison of unequals, yes. It is like comparing Wal-Mart and the local drug store as equals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) Other than it being a comparison of unequals, yes. It is like comparing Wal-Mart and the local drug store as equals. And then saying that Walmart doesn't dent the cashflow like that drug store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Are Balta and Southsider arguing? Dat's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread. I wish baseball would open its books to the public BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) Are Balta and Southsider arguing? Dat's what I'm trying to figure out in this thread. I wish baseball would open its books to the public BTW. Why should they? The only exception I would accept is if they want public funding for a stadium or something like that. Otherwise it is nobody else's business, except MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 06:34 PM) Why should they? The only exception I would accept is if they want public funding for a stadium or something like that. Otherwise it is nobody else's business, except MLB. Cause I, the paying fan, want to know how my Sox are doing? Why wouldn't they open the books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) Why should they? The only exception I would accept is if they want public funding for a stadium or something like that. Otherwise it is nobody else's business, except MLB. You're right, but it'd be really interesting to look over, even if I have no right. I find that stuff fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) Cause I, the paying fan, want to know how my Sox are doing? Why wouldn't they open the books? If I'm right and the Sox cleared about $25 million in profits last year, that's not the sort of thing you'd want to admit to a fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) Cause I, the paying fan, want to know how my Sox are doing? Why wouldn't they open the books? Why would they want to? Now all their financial info would be exposed and they would have little bargaining chips in terms of deals, and every fan would be clamoring for them to spend more (most likely the case). They aren't a publically traded company, they don't have to open their books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) Cause I, the paying fan, want to know how my Sox are doing? Why wouldn't they open the books? Do you plan on showing your books to everyone who wants to know how you are doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 06:43 PM) Do you plan on showing your books to everyone who wants to know how you are doing? Nobody wants to see my books. I'm not a public figure and I'm poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:45 PM) Nobody wants to see my books. I'm not a public figure and I'm poor. The Sox aren't a public company, they are private, therefore they don't have to show the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) The Sox aren't a public company, they are private, therefore they don't have to show the books. The one thing that makes it a little bit of a case here is that the state of Illinois has chipped in a ton of cash towards their ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) Nobody wants to see my books. I'm not a public figure and I'm poor. That's where you're wrong. You definitely have some fans just on this website alone, so of course they'd like to see your books and see how you're doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 06:48 PM) The Sox aren't a public company, they are private, therefore they don't have to show the books. I know. I just thought they might want to cater to the customer. I don't go to games now, but we had season tickets for years when I was a kid. I know there's a greater chance of me winning an Emmy than baseball teams opening their books. Forget I brought it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) That's where you're wrong. You definitely have some fans just on this website alone, so of course they'd like to see your books and see how you're doing. Im sure some people would love to tell him to cut spending in some areas or that he's saving too much and should reinvest that money in more Sox tickets/trips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) That's where you're wrong. You definitely have some fans just on this website alone, so of course they'd like to see your books and see how you're doing. I totally want to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) Cause I, the paying fan, want to know how my Sox are doing? Why wouldn't they open the books? Would you care if the top dollar ticket was $30? I doubt most people would care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 06:54 PM) I totally want to see them. You could have at least put that in green if u meant my fans and not my books. Edited June 27, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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