greg775 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 06:01 AM) I follow baseball closer than I do any other sport except college football. I wouldn't feel as strongly about Ozzie as I do in relationship to other managers if I didn't see so much of them. What do these other managers do that are so much better than Ozzie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 01:23 AM) What do these other managers do that are so much better than Ozzie? Not butt heads with GMs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 06:37 AM) Not butt heads with GMs That's a fair criticism. Somebody should be axed just over the Dayan mess. But he was talking about in-game decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 01:57 AM) That's a fair criticism. Somebody should be axed just over the Dayan mess. But he was talking about in-game decisions. I dont think other managers would put Will Ohman in games that are still close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 05:06 AM) I dont think other managers would put Will Ohman in games that are still close. Some managers would kill to have Will Ohman in a close game. Edited July 29, 2011 by kjshoe04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 05:09 AM) Some managers would kill to have Will Ohman in a close game. Well my post obviously meant with our current bullpen available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) He doesn't use late game substitutions enough. Especially pinch runners for Konerko and Dunn. If you are going to bunt then make sure the guy bunting can bunt. Coaching some in this area might help. How about making sure the pitchers hold on base runners better? This can also be done with coaching. Hold the coaches involved responsible for preparing the players to execute. Defensive positioning is not good under Ozzie. When do the Sox employ a shift? Do they hold any runner on second base. Ozzie leaves a lot to be desired but overall is about average in game managing. In my humble opinion as a long time observer. I think players fear what he may say publicly when he goes on his profanity filled tirades. His son chirping about his boss and his employer would not be tolerated in any other workplace. His act has worn thin. I don't think the players respect him or like him and also fear his big mouth and what his tool of a son may write about any of them. Walking on egg shells in the clubhouse because Oney may go public is not a good atmosphere. Ozzie must still supply Oney with information. Coaching and preperation are not so good. In game managing is avearage at best. Atmosphere and leadership can't be trusted. If he doesn't win now I would love to see a change made. Edited July 29, 2011 by since56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 07:29 AM) Well my post obviously meant with our current bullpen available. Against a LH batter? I'd take Ohman happily. Despite a bad start to the year lefties are hitting .200 against him, .588 OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hogan873 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 07:57 AM) Speaking of...what's the bet on De Aza being in the lineup over Rios today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share Posted July 29, 2011 Very nicely done as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 07:53 AM) Against a LH batter? I'd take Ohman happily. Despite a bad start to the year lefties are hitting .200 against him, .588 OPS. Unfortunately though Ozzie has had Ohman face more right handed batters than left this season... I'm mostly ok with Ozzie, it was the overuse of the vintage Sunday lineup and misusing pitchers like Ohman I can't stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (since56 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 06:35 AM) He doesn't use late game substitutions enough. Especially pinch runners for Konerko and Dunn. If you are going to bunt then make sure the guy bunting can bunt. Coaching some in this area might help. How about making sure the pitchers hold on base runners better? This can also be done with coaching. Hold the coaches involved responsible for preparing the players to execute. Defensive positioning is not good under Ozzie. When do the Sox employ a shift? Do they hold any runner on second base. Ozzie leaves a lot to be desired but overall is about average in game managing. In my humble opinion as a long time observer. I think players fear what he may say publicly when he goes on his profanity filled tirades. His son chirping about his boss and his employer would not be tolerated in any other workplace. His act has worn thin. I don't think the players respect him or like him and also fear his big mouth and what his tool of a son may write about any of them. Walking on egg shells in the clubhouse because Oney may go public is not a good atmosphere. Ozzie must still supply Oney with information. Coaching and preperation are not so good. In game managing is avearage at best. Atmosphere and leadership can't be trusted. If he doesn't win now I would love to see a change made. All of this is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Ozzie's use of Peavy this year has been horrible. Talk about not knowing your personnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 See, Fridays are a good day for a trade to go down. I wouldn't feel as bad about getting nothing accomplished at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 11:57 AM) Ozzie's use of Peavy this year has been horrible. Talk about not knowing your personnel And Ohman. And Humber. And Teahen. And Morel. Who else am I forgetting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 01:20 PM) And Ohman. And Humber. And Teahen. And Morel. Who else am I forgetting? The obvious, Dunn and Rios. You could put Pierre,Lillibridge and Thornton in there too. Not playing Lillibridge enough when he was hot. Playing Pierre too much when he was not. Thornton clearly lacked closer ability early on. Also why does Ozzie sit guys when they are hot? He doesn't play the hot hand often enough. Edited July 29, 2011 by since56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 So Peavy is complaining again about that relief appearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 07:57 AM) I saw this while stuck in traffic this morning. Absolutely awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini Ozzie reiticent regarding Rios: "I don't kick a guy in the nuts when he's down." CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini When asked odd ? whether he could pitch 4 days in row Frasor didnt miss beat: "I was taught in a pennant race u pitch til u tear something" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share Posted July 29, 2011 scottmerkin Scott Merkin In a team-first, veteran move, Rios declined comment about his reduced playing time. "I would just rather keep it quiet," Rios said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share Posted July 29, 2011 ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers Interesting early work at U.S. Cellular: Brent Lillibridge working w/coaches at first base. Start your trade rumors now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 06:04 PM) ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers Interesting early work at U.S. Cellular: Brent Lillibridge working w/coaches at first base. Start your trade rumors now. Meh. If Dunn is DHing & Konerko is playing 1b, this way you can bring in a pinch runner for PK, & Lilli can stay in the game and play 1b. Teahen was the 3rd 1st basemen. Phil Rogers with some outstanding journalism once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share Posted July 29, 2011 CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini LaRussa is not coming to #WhiteSox. No baseball "expert" would peddle such nonsense RT @froboy22301: what's with La Russa White Sox rumors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 1/2 game behind the tribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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