Balta1701 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Yes, Dave Magadan is getting a fair amount of grief for Crawford, he's tried to rebuild his swing but it is being described as "mechanically unsound". And if kw traded Beckham for scraps after his first 30 at bats...no one would have blamed walker, they'd have been furious with Kenny. Just like I was about the hudson trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 20, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) Dick, curious what your thoughts are on this article from a couple weeks ago. I quoted a big chunk of it in one of our threads. Pay particular attention to section "no. 3". Now that was a great article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 20, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) If just once someone blamed Cooper and was actually serious about it, when a pitcher sucked like they blame Walker when a hitter sucked, I'd stop my crusade. Cooper doesn't have a contract for next year. It could be the organization wants a complete change. Floyd and Danks are looking more and more like 5th starters on a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Rios now has 12 homers which means he also has more than Dunn. Wow. When was Dunn's last home run of the 2011 season? June? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 10:00 PM) Rios now has 12 homers which means he also has more than Dunn. Wow. When was Dunn's last home run of the 2011 season? June? I know he hit one in late July off of Verlander, it was the only game I went to this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Tomorrow is Alexei Ramirez's 30th birthday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 04:38 AM) Tomorrow is Alexei Ramirez's 30th birthday. Damn, he's getting old. I thought he was much younger than that. That is pretty damn old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:02 PM) Damn, he's getting old. I thought he was much younger than that. That is pretty damn old. Slight exaggeration there, Greg. No, 30 isn't "young", but he's not ancient. He seems younger because he hasn't been playing in the US for that long, but remember he played in Cuba for quite a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 20, 2011 -> 09:03 PM) Yes, Dave Magadan is getting a fair amount of grief for Crawford, he's tried to rebuild his swing but it is being described as "mechanically unsound". And if kw traded Beckham for scraps after his first 30 at bats...no one would have blamed walker, they'd have been furious with Kenny. Just like I was about the hudson trade. Magadan is getting grief and the Red Sox lead the world in runs, slugging, OPS, and second in batting average? Yeah, he sucks. Edited September 22, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 06:24 AM) Magadan is getting grief and the Red Sox lead the world in runs, slugging, OPS, and second in batting average? Yeah, he sucks. For what they are paying for that offense, he should be getting grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 06:24 AM) Magadan is getting grief and the Red Sox lead the world in runs, slugging, OPS, and second in batting average? Yeah, he sucks. Did you read the post? He said getting grief for Crawford. You know, the guy who just signed a $142 million dollar contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 07:21 AM) For what they are paying for that offense, he should be getting grief. Funny thing is, other than Crawford, they're not paying that much this year. Not for the guys that matter, anyway. That changes next year with Gonzo, obviously. Edited September 22, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) Funny thing is, other than Crawford, they're not paying that much this year. Not for the guys that matter, anyway. That changes next year with Gonzo, obviously. I quickly counted up about $82 million spent on their offense this year not counting minimum salary guys, and about the same amount spent on their pitching staff (more if you break Matsuzaka's posting fee into yearly increments) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:20 AM) I quickly counted up about $82 million spent on their offense this year not counting minimum salary guys, and about the same amount spent on their pitching staff (more if you break Matsuzaka's posting fee into yearly increments) Take away J.D. Drew (who hasn't played in months) and his $14 million and you're at $68 million. That's more than a reasonable sum for the production they're getting (save for Crawford). Edited September 22, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:29 AM) Take away J.D. Drew (who hasn't played in months) and his $14 million and you're at $68 million. That's more than a reasonable sum for the production they're getting (save for Crawford). Drew is injured every year. How can you excuse something that happens annually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) Take away J.D. Drew (who hasn't played in months) and his $14 million and you're at $68 million. That's more than a reasonable sum for the production they're getting (save for Crawford). Take away Adam Dunn and his $14 million and I bet the White Sox offense looks like a pretty decent bargain as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Take away Adam Dunn and his $14 million and I bet the White Sox offense looks like a pretty decent bargain as well. Yeah, instead of third worst it'd be fourth/fifth worst? SS2K5 said for the money they're making, the Red Sox offense should be held to a different standard. Drew has been on the DL since like June. So that's just sunk cost. Ortiz, Gonzo, Youk, Ellsbury and Pedroia, you know, the reasons their offense is so damn good, are making less than $40 million combined this season. For three legitimate MVP candidates, a perennial all-star and the most productive DH in the league, that's peanuts. Crawford has been the only offensive bust. Edited September 22, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 11:43 AM) Drew is injured every year. How can you excuse something that happens annually? I'm not excusing it. But how can you use that against them? Drew was a monster in '09 when healthy. He's been banged up since then. Point is for the guys doing the bulk of the damage for them THIS year, they're making pennies on the dollar. Edited September 22, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2011 Author Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 12:01 PM) I'm not excusing it. But how can you use that against them? Drew was a monster in '09 when healthy. He's been banged up since then. Point is for the guys doing the bulk of the damage for them THIS year, they're making pennies on the dollar. You use it against Dunn, Rios, and Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) You use it against Dunn, Rios, and Peavy. Peavy? He was injured when we traded for him and just about every minute since then. And how many times have Dunn and Rios been on the DL this year? Edited September 22, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 12:09 PM) Peavy? He was injured when we traded for him and just about every minute since then. And how many times have Dunn and Rios been on the DL this year? J.D. Drew was injured quite often before his Red Sox days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 12:18 PM) J.D. Drew was injured quite often before his Red Sox days. I realize that. I was talking just this year. From '07 to '09, Drew produced an .875 OPS and sound defense. He's been hurt the last couple years. Yeah, they're paying for him. But he's not one of the reasons their offense is as good as it is. Ortiz: $12.5 million Youk: $12.250 million Gonzo: $6.3 million Pedroia: $5.75 million Ellsbury: $2.4 million That's five regulars producing at an all-star to MVP level for less than $40 million. Pay-Rod, Tex, Jeter, Swisher, and Posada are making damn near $100 million. Now that's the team in which you could say, "Well, look at what they're paying for that offense." Not the Red Sox. Edited September 22, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Remember when some of us thought Beckham may be a great talent? Gordon Beckham 377 games - 324 hits Starlin Castro 277 games - 338 hits 100 games less and 3 years younger. That's something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) Remember when some of us thought Beckham may be a great talent? Gordon Beckham 377 games - 324 hits Starlin Castro 277 games - 338 hits 100 games less and 3 years younger. That's something. After 277 career games, Juan Pierre had 343 hits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) I realize that. I was talking just this year. From '07 to '09, Drew produced an .875 OPS and sound defense. He's been hurt the last couple years. Yeah, they're paying for him. But he's not one of the reasons their offense is as good as it is. Ortiz: $12.5 million Youk: $12.250 million Gonzo: $6.3 million Pedroia: $5.75 million Ellsbury: $2.4 million That's five regulars producing at an all-star to MVP level for less than $40 million. Pay-Rod, Tex, Jeter, Swisher, and Posada are making damn near $100 million. Now that's the team in which you could say, "Well, look at what they're paying for that offense." Not the Red Sox. That also ignores the fact that A-Gon & Tex have very similar contracts from 2012 on. Also, you are excluding Crawford/Drew on one side, while not including Cano or Grandy on the other side. How much does Posada even play anymore anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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