southsider2k5 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 09:16 AM) A good way to spin it is to put Thornton on the shelf with an "injury" while Santos closes, then have MT return to his old setup role when he comes back. And then have Jeff Gray with Jeff Marquez in the pen? No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Give me Santos. Edited April 14, 2011 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 If Santos hasn't been used up until that point he's got to be the next in line to be thrown out there in the 9th. Problem with that is then we're going to have a struggling reliever out there in the 7th or 8th. Hopefully these guys get their s*** together quick because this is becoming an epic disaster at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I think you have to go with Santos at this point. He's been our best reliever so far this season and he should be our long term answer anyways. Once Peavy comes back, I'd DFA Pena, call up Infante, and move Humber back to long relief. I think Infante is going to be a huge factor for us at some point this season. With those moves along with Santos as closer, I believe our bullpen comes together quite nicely. Obviously everything is dependent on Santos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 06:53 AM) Sale should close. He had no business being in yesterday's afternoon game as he pitched 2 innings the night before. That was a pitiful decision by Ozzie and Cooper. They aren't going to listen to Peavy always tell them he is ready, but he will listen to a kid not a year out of college with about 30 career innings under his belt? Thornton in the 8th, Sale in the 9th will eventually bring the Sox victory. Also, has anyone else ever noticed when Ozzie tries to stick up for his players vs. fan boos or taunts, usually within 48 hours he's throwing someone under the bus? He certainly did yesterday at his press conference. The good news is the Sox are 1 game out of first place, and if they could catch a flyball with the consistency of a pony league team, they would be in first place. As long as Thornton's struggles aren't permanent, they should be OK. Who did Ozzie throw under the bus yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) The problem with the bullpen isn't the arms--it's the roles. I feel very confident that if they give Santos a shot at closer, he'll thrive. The first step is to get Thornton back to his old role. And I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think Chris Sale needs to go down to the minors and start. It's not a penalty for having a 7+ ERA. It's just that they probably don't need three lefties in the pen if Thornton isn't the closer. Let's develop Sale as a starter the right way. Let him go down to Birmingham and build up innings, so he's ready to go next year when the rotation will have an opening or two. I had suggested Anthony Carter come up, but that's probably premature. But how about a Brian Bruney or a Josh Kinney for middle relief for now? Once Peavy comes back, you can have Humber and Pena in long relief. Ohman and Bruney (or another righty) in mid-relief. Thornton and Crain setting up. And Santos closing. I think this is the best bullpen setup given who they have in the organization. All is not lost with the bullpen. They just need to put the puzzle pieces in the right order. Edited April 14, 2011 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Sergio Santos looked really good at the home opener needing only 10 pitches to finish out the 9th inning with a 4 run lead... Is it that much different to do it with a 3 run lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (since56 @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 07:48 AM) I wonder what Bobby Jenks is thinking? "The pizza here in Boston sucks. I need better pizza to sustain my fat, disgusting self. Oh man, I'm a gross piece of crap. Where did that beer go?" Something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 09:44 AM) I think you have to go with Santos at this point. He's been our best reliever so far this season and he should be our long term answer anyways. Once Peavy comes back, I'd DFA Pena, call up Infante, and move Humber back to long relief. I think Infante is going to be a huge factor for us at some point this season. With those moves along with Santos as closer, I believe our bullpen comes together quite nicely. Obviously everything is dependent on Santos. I agree that Pena needs to go. He's an abject failure. And this is coming from a guy who defended him. He's the prototypical pitcher with tons of talent that never translates. He'd be the perfect guy to throw to the dogs to both rid ourselves of his lack of production and send a clear message to the other relievers. And before some jagoff makes a smartass remark like "yeah, its a great idea to DFA a guy because of three appearances", he's been this way during his entire tenure with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I wouldn't cut him, but I have no problem with him becoming the long reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 10:40 AM) I wouldn't cut him, but I have no problem with him becoming the long reliever. Isn't that what he already is supposed to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 10:40 AM) I wouldn't cut him, but I have no problem with him becoming the long reliever. I think I'd rather keep Humber for that role. The problem is once Peavy comes back, who do you get rid of if you want to improve the bullpen? Crain, Thornton, and Santos aren't going anywhere. Despite his struggles so far, Sale has the potential to be our best reliever this year, so I don't see KW sending him down. Ohman is signed for another season and we all know how much Ozzie loves his lefties. If you want to add someone to the pen, it comes down to Pena or Humber going and I'd keep Humber right now. Not that I think he's anything special, but I feel more confident with him as our emergency starter than Pena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapzk Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) <!--quoteo(post=2355515:date=Apr 14, 2011 -> 10:40 AM:name=southsider2k5)-->QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 10:40 AM) <!--quotec-->I wouldn't cut him, but I have no problem with him becoming the long reliever. I think I'd rather keep Humber for that role. The problem is once Peavy comes back, who do you get rid of if you want to improve the bullpen? Crain, Thornton, and Santos aren't going anywhere. Despite his struggles so far, Sale has the potential to be our best reliever this year, so I don't see KW sending him down. Ohman is signed for another season and we all know how much Ozzie loves his lefties. If you want to add someone to the pen, it comes down to Pena or Humber going and I'd keep Humber right now. Not that I think he's anything special, but I feel more confident with him as our emergency starter than Pena. Didnt we just add Jeff Grey by sending down Milledge.... so can`t we just send down Grey once Peavy returns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (kapzk @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 06:47 PM) Didnt we just add Jeff Grey by sending down Milledge.... so can`t we just send down Grey once Peavy returns? Dingdingding Easy peasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I just had a bad feeling yesterday when we brought out our current closer: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (kapzk @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) Didnt we just add Jeff Grey by sending down Milledge.... so can`t we just send down Grey once Peavy returns? What I was saying was once Peavy returns (and Gray has been sent down), if you want add a reliever via the minors or trade, you'll have to cut loose Pena or Humber. If that's the case, I'd cut Pena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Bobby Thigpen http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_leagu...;ysp_frm_woah=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Coop says Santos might be next: http://twitter.com/#%21/JimBowdenXMFox/sta...617082434174976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Bring back Bajenaru and make my jersey relevant again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 02:56 PM) Coop says Santos might be next: http://twitter.com/#%21/JimBowdenXMFox/sta...617082434174976 Why would he make that 2nd comment about Sergio being the toughest mentally? Now the rest of the guys will think that he thinks they're mental midgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) Why would he make that 2nd comment about Sergio being the toughest mentally? Now the rest of the guys will think that he thinks they're mental midgets. Maybe if he makes them a swan, they will be happy again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 09:59 AM) Who did Ozzie throw under the bus yesterday? His failed relievers. He said when they win they are the heroes and sit and talk to the press, when the mess up Ozzie has to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_LEE45 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 screw it put peavy there,maybe then he can stay healthy and surley couldnt do worse than thornton or sale!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 06:41 AM) If there is, it's going to be someone along the likes of K-Rod (due to contract and off-field and deterioration of stuff) I'd go for that if the Mets give some money in return and don't expect much from the Sox. They could be desperate to cut payroll due to the ownership situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Apr 14, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) Coop says Santos might be next: http://twitter.com/#%21/JimBowdenXMFox/sta...617082434174976 “Right now, as we speak, Sergio Santos might be the next guy on the list,” White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper said Thursday on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM. Read more: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2011041.../#ixzz1JYhZK1v4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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