JPN366 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 03:35 AM) Stupid question, but what about Gartrell? He is playing (well, hitting at least) quite well this ST. 4th OF? Or native-English-speaking version of Luis Terrero? Don't insult the man. He's got big time power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I remember when Terrero had big time power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobryansson Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I like Lillibridge's tweets. I look forward to hearing from him about someplace other than the south side of Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Has any of the guys in this conversation done anything to justify bringing them along, or are we just fighting over who has "potential"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 02:53 AM) Try to find another cheap, speedy player who can play 2nd, 3rd, ss, lf, cf, & rf. If he gets playing time, he can put up good stats. He did it last year while Teahen was out. I agree that Lillibridge is a valuable utility player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 10:05 AM) I remember when Terrero had big time power. Gartrell>Terrero...no comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsider11 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 morel also has experience at ss last year. Don't know how good he was there but seems like our if is pretty felxible if a couple starters get injured at the same time. I know they wouldn't want to move him but I am talking about the extreme situation where lillibridge may have been "valuable" for the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 10:05 AM) I remember when Terrero had big time power. I remember when he got caught with the hidden ball trick, at 3rd base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) I agree that Lillibridge is a valuable utility player. If he's so valuable, KW will be able to get something for him that he can send to the minors for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Lillibridge sucks and always will suck. He's out of options, so what. Let him go suck for someone else. Wow, Dick Allen. You usually aren't this vicious. You must really dislike Lilly the ballplayer. I remember last year he was pretty darn good at the plate. I have a sneaky feeling both may make the team. Is that possible. If it's one or the other I think Lilly makes it. Don't Oz and Kenny both kind of have a hard on for Lillibridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) I have a sneaky feeling both may make the team. Is that possible. If Brent Morel doesn't make the team, now that Viciedo is hurt...it's very, very, very likely that the Stealth Elf comes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I believe Milledge is a non-rostered invitee. He's looked good so far, so has McPhearson, who's another non-rostered player. Most likely these two get released early so they can sign elsewhere. If Quentin gets off to a slow start, I look for Viciedo to get a starting shot at RF. Danks, Gartrell and Flowers are another year away IMO. Like it or not, Vizquel, Castro, Teahen and Lillibridge comprise the bench unless they carry only 6 relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) Wow, Dick Allen. You usually aren't this vicious. You must really dislike Lilly the ballplayer. I remember last year he was pretty darn good at the plate. I have a sneaky feeling both may make the team. Is that possible. If it's one or the other I think Lilly makes it. Don't Oz and Kenny both kind of have a hard on for Lillibridge? .248 OBP. 36 strikeouts in 98 ABs. 3 walks, that's pretty darn good at the plate? His OBP was actually lower than his career .254 OBP with a career .194 batting average. He's brutal. Both Oz and Kenny need a few bottles of Viagra if they are going to become semi erect thinking about Lillibridge. Ozzie in particular has never thought too highly of his approach at the plate. There's a far greater needed for someone who can pinch hit off the bench than a guy who can be the 3rd string SS. That's why Milledge makes far more sense. Edited March 12, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Lillibridge was hitting out of his mind on a ridiculous hot streak (to the tune of like .450) for about20 or 30 PAs, and after that he was garbage. But overall, for the year, his numbers almost looked respectable on the season (almost) because of that hot streak. Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+ June 10 1 7 7 2 3 1 1 1 6 0 0 0 1 .429 .429 1.286 1.714 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 .400 413 348 July 16 5 22 21 5 8 3 0 0 4 2 1 1 9 .381 .409 .524 .933 11 1 0 0 0 0 0 .667 204 153 August 16 6 32 32 7 6 1 1 1 4 1 1 0 9 .188 .188 .375 .563 12 1 0 0 0 0 0 .227 75 52 Sept/Oct 22 10 40 38 5 5 0 0 0 2 2 1 2 17 .132 .175 .132 .307 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 .238 6 -11 I mean, look at August and September and tell me what you see? It's even worse than you thought you remembered when you originally watched the games, isn't it? 40 PAs and a .307 OPS with 17 strikeouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) Gartrell>Terrero...no comparison. Terrero had better overall tools (much better prospect during his time). But I think Gartrell will have a better career. (which isn't saying much as I think he'll be a 4th/5th OF/LHP smasher at best) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) I believe Milledge is a non-rostered invitee. He's looked good so far, so has McPhearson, who's another non-rostered player. Most likely these two get released early so they can sign elsewhere. If Quentin gets off to a slow start, I look for Viciedo to get a starting shot at RF. Danks, Gartrell and Flowers are another year away IMO. Like it or not, Vizquel, Castro, Teahen and Lillibridge comprise the bench unless they carry only 6 relievers. Milledge and McPherson both signed minor league deals, so we can stash them in Charlotte if we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) I agree that Lillibridge is a valuable utility player. Which proves that knight is wrong QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 10:05 AM) I remember when Terrero had big time power. He did hit one of the longest homers I've seen by a right-handed Sox hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I love Brent's skill set off the bench. How is having a guy who can play 6 positions, with pop and +speed so terrible? I wouldn't mind having him on the bench for 5 years. Unless The Mill is faster than The Bridge, why take him? If nothing else The Bridge is an excellent late-inning pinch runner for our slow guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 11, 2011 -> 08:07 PM) You're looking at the entire season. Look at June and July when he got more playing time. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...ar=2010&t=b He held an average over .270 until mid September. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...p;t=b&year= Look at the stats and look at your second sentence. He played more in August and September. His stats as a starter were .171 avg. 203 OBP .234 SLG and he fanned 29 times in 76 AB. Thats like having a pitcher in your line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) I love Brent's skill set off the bench. How is having a guy who can play 6 positions, with pop and +speed so terrible? I wouldn't mind having him on the bench for 5 years. Unless The Mill is faster than The Bridge, why take him? If nothing else The Bridge is an excellent late-inning pinch runner for our slow guys. You love guys who can't hit sour apples and are shaky in the field? The Mill isn't slow, but he can't run with The Bridge. He's fast enough as a pinch runner and at least you could use The Mill to pinch hit and get an occassional start. He hits lefties well and Teahen hits righties well. The only thing the Bridge hits is the bench after an at bat. I like the names the Mill and the Bridge. Edited March 12, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 06:09 PM) I love Brent's skill set off the bench. How is having a guy who can play 6 positions, with pop and +speed so terrible? I wouldn't mind having him on the bench for 5 years. Unless The Mill is faster than The Bridge, why take him? If nothing else The Bridge is an excellent late-inning pinch runner for our slow guys. 1B: Konerko, Dunn, Teahen 2B: Beckham, Vizquel, Teahen SS: Ramirez, Vizqiel, Morel 3B: Morel, Vizquel, Teahen LF: Pierre. Teahen CF: Rios RF: Quentin, Teahen So what if Lillibridge can play 6 positions, the only backup that we truly need is OF, and Millidge is a better OF, the speed difference is minimal, and Lilli is a .180ish batter besides a 20 at bat streak. Milledge is a better bat, has more potential, and fits our needs better. Edited March 12, 2011 by bigruss22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 11, 2011 -> 09:07 PM) You're looking at the entire season. Look at June and July when he got more playing time. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...ar=2010&t=b He held an average over .270 until mid September. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...p;t=b&year= I'm just now seeing this, posting the links actually says the exact opposite of your conclusion. When he got more playing time in August and September he was about as bad as is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Lastings Milledge is so much better than Lillibridge. But that might not necessary dictate the winner. Milledge is better in four out of the five areas (except speed). He also is a much more natural CF and outfielder in general than Lilly. Granted Lilly can play the INF, but with Teahen/Vizquel he will never see time there. To me it comes down to whether you really need that extra "speed" on the bench. Milledge is slower, but not a slouch and IMO, can easily be that late-inning speed substitute. Add in he is just better in practically all facets of the game, this should be a no-brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I find this interesting: Lillibridge career minor league slash stats: .268/.348/.409/.758 Milledge career major league slash stats: .269/.328/.394/.723 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 12, 2011 -> 06:32 PM) I'm just now seeing this, posting the links actually says the exact opposite of your conclusion. When he got more playing time in August and September he was about as bad as is possible. I meant... when he first started getting playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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