whitesoxfan101 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Would rather have Sale close, but this was a win/win decision IMO so no big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 06:47 PM) Pretty sure qwerty was dripping with sarcasm here. Ding, ding, ding, thankfully. People should know me better than that, especially j4l. After all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtsoxfan Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Matt Thornton has been a rock for this team since the Sox got him from the Mariners. He deserves the opportunity. Even Mariano Rivera had to toil as a setup man to John Wetteland before he got his shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (qwerty @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) Ding, ding, ding, thankfully. People should know me better than that, especially j4l. After all... I knew you were being sarcastic. My response to you was sarcasm as well. Didn't think I needed the green. Edited March 20, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (sircaffey @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 07:49 PM) What's the criteria? Keep in mind Thornton has had a better WAR than Soria each of the past 3 seasons. Might want to choose something other than a Bieber tattoo, just in case... I don't like WAR when it comes to relievers. Sean Marshall had a higher WAR than Rivera last year. Sample size is too small. I don't even know what the criteria would be. But if he can exceed Soria in his first year as the full-time closer that would be rather awesome. Edited March 20, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 He only has one pitch, and he's left-handed. He's very handsome, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 08:58 PM) Is that because Thornton has been better or because Thornton has pitched in higher leverage situations? WAR only calculates value, so it's because Thornton has been better and/or Thornton has pitched more than Soria. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 12:10 AM) I don't like WAR when it comes to relievers. Sean Marshall had a higher WAR than Rivera last year. Sample size is too small. I don't even know what the criteria would be. But if he can exceed Soria in his first year as the full-time closer that would be rather awesome. WPA works too, but as I understand it, that will be skewed upwards towards closers because outs late in the game will increase your odds of winning a game exponentially more than those in the 7th and 8th innings. Personally, I use some type of combination of WHIP, K/9, WAR, WPA, ERA, and whatever else I feel like. All I know is that Mariano Rivera is the best reliever in the game and, unless someone can think of someone else, the best reliever in the *history* of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 06:53 PM) I'll shave my legs and get a Justin Bieber Tattoo if he's better than Soria. Not that he couldn't be. That would just be amazing. I'll pay for the Bieber tattooo if it happens. I think the bullpen is the biggest obstacle in the Sox winning this division. If Matt can keep doing what he has done the last 3 years, the Sox will be in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Good choice. Less of an excuse for the Sox next season if they plan on continuing to stifle his progress by putting him back in the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 02:21 AM) Good choice. Less of an excuse for the Sox next season if they plan on continuing to stifle his progress by putting him back in the bullpen. Jesus dude, give it up, the White Sox are not going to put Thornton in the rotation, no matter how much you complain about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) When you really, really want someone to honor a posted in a thread bet, they never do Touche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 07:40 AM) Jesus dude, give it up, the White Sox are not going to put Thornton in the rotation, no matter how much you complain about it. That ship sailed years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) Thornton's easy motion and very fast fastball have given him success. His pitch is straight though and good hitters have hit him ( all star game ). If he could develop another change of speed pitch he could be lethal. I'm sure the pro's have already known this and it is easier said than done. As of now I see him as the best choice. let's play ball! Edited March 20, 2011 by since56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 12:17 AM) He only has one pitch, and he's left-handed. He's very handsome, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (since56 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 09:12 AM) Thornton's easy motion and very fast fastball have given him success. His pitch is straight though and good hitters have hit him ( all star game ). If he could develop another change of speed pitch he could be lethal. I'm sure the pro's have already known this and it is easier said than done. As of now I see him as the best choice. let's play ball! What do you call his numbers for the last 2+ years!? Edited March 20, 2011 by bigruss22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 This probably deserves its own thread, but shouldn't the Sox seriously consider sending Chris Sale to the minors to be a starting pitcher? He's been bad this spring. Bad control. They're talking about him on the radio now, saying he's been down on himself. Wouldn't it be a good thing to send him down and get him 140 innings as a starter, and then have him ready to move into the rotation in 2012? I sure think so. I know they wanted to have a 3rd lefty to face Minnesota and Cleveland, but most of the division games are after the AS Break. If they need to make a move then, they can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 OK, so now what with Sale? He's the setup guy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Keep Sale up with Coop. I also happen to like the 3 lefties in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 01:21 AM) Good choice. Less of an excuse for the Sox next season if they plan on continuing to stifle his progress by putting him back in the bullpen. Good God, shut up already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (qwerty @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 11:19 PM) He only has one pitch and was bad in the chances he had to close. I wouldn't do it. I have seen him throw more than one Plus he deserves it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Sale on his role, setting up Thornton: "My job now is to get the ball to him. If I can get him the ball, we will be in a good spot." Go Matt, Go Chris, Go White Sox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) OK, so now what with Sale? He's the setup guy now? He's a setup guy yeah, but the question is...what is up with him? Why is he struggling so much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 12:33 PM) He's a setup guy yeah, but the question is...what is up with him? Why is he struggling so much? If this is true, I have to imagine it would play a pretty big role: QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 09:20 AM) They're talking about him on the radio now, saying he's been down on himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 08:40 AM) Jesus dude, give it up, the White Sox are not going to put Thornton in the rotation, no matter how much you complain about it. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Thornton on being the White Sox's closer now: "I’m going to work on my mean face and some kind of facial hair." Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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