Balta1701 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Just as I think Arizona's laws are unconstitutional, I don't see how this passes constitutional muster...but it's interesting to see a state pushing the other way. Gov. Gary Herbert last week signed a bill that would give illegal immigrants who do not commit serious crimes and are working in Utah documents that, in the state's eyes at least, make them legal residents. For the law to work, however, the Obama administration would have to permit Utah to make it legal to employ people who entered the United States illegally — a federal crime. Even the law's proponents acknowledge that's an uphill battle. But they contend that, in symbolism alone, the effort by Utah's conservative government to offer a warm welcome to illegal immigrants can reshape the contentious debate over the issue. Washington has been paralyzed since 2006, when President George W. Bush was unable to persuade other Republicans to approve a national version of what Utah has enacted. "Utah is proof that there is a true silent majority of decent, level-headed Americans," said Paul Mero, head of the conservative Sutherland Institute here. "Conservative Republican members of Congress will be able to take a step back, not be so knee-jerk and caught up in the fear-mongering, and say, 'Look at Utah, the reddest of the red.' " .... Under the guest-worker law, anyone who worked in Utah before May of this year — and their immediate family — can receive documents if they pass a background check and pay a fine of up to $2,500 if they entered the country illegally. They will, however, still be subject to possible deportation by federal immigration agents. A statewide poll last month found 71% support for the law's provisions. A guest-worker program without citizenship of course has its own problems...the whole "quasi-indentured-servitude" setup, but still, wanted to highlight it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 There are all sorts of temporary worker programs that are not anything like indentured servant. The H1B visa program for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 06:18 PM) There are all sorts of temporary worker programs that are not anything like indentured servant. The H1B visa program for example. The H1B program is distinct from the low-income workers because, first and foremost, it brings in educated, in-demand workers, ones who other companies would be interested in employing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 07:44 AM) The H1B program is distinct from the low-income workers because, first and foremost, it brings in educated, in-demand workers, ones who other companies would be interested in employing. These guest worker programs are also bringing in in-demand workers, ones who other companies would be interested in employing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) These guest worker programs are also bringing in in-demand workers, ones who other companies would be interested in employing. But these ones are easily replaced. The H1b program people are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) But these ones are easily replaced. The H1b program people are not. Actually they are not easily replaced. The ag industry is really hurting. Many H1B workers could be replaced by unemployed domestic workers. Those are the jobs that our college and high school grads should be fighting for, not the $7/hr field jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) But these ones are easily replaced. The H1b program people are not. eh not really. most h-1bs are entry level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) There are all sorts of temporary worker programs that are not anything like indentured servant. The H1B visa program for example. i know some h1bs that would argue the program is all about indentured servitude. there is a lot of shady business going on in that program, especially with the Indian outsourcing companies. outside of technology, i don't know though. i think the visa has some legit uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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