ptatc Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 19, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) From Sun Times story. My god, he takes anti inflamm medicine for six days and maybe starts throwing Friday. How can that be good news? I'm not stressing cause I'm not counting on him pitching more than a start or two this season. I'd just shut him down frankly until next year, unless all of this discomfort, etc., is totally "normal." ptatc? any opinion? shut him down for the year? Shutting him down will do no good. He needs to throw. He has done all of the strengthening possible short of pitching. He spent 3 months strengthening the shoulder in non-pitching ways. The injury is healed, the muscles have been worked on. Shutting him down will only make the muscles weaker and make it tougher later. The only hurdle he needs to overcome is actual throwing. You can't train for a marathon by walking. He needs to throw and they need to gradually build it up and take care of the shoulder as problems arise. All of the problems have been with inflammation not structural damage. This is treated with the medication and some rest then the strengthening must resume. The big question is can the shoulder hold up to the throwing with the stress of pitching. since this has never been done before, it's all trial and error with educated guesswork. The Sox are following current medical knowledge and protocol for something like this. Maybe we'll find out how important the lat is to the throwing motion from how everything reacts during his continuing rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 07:39 AM) Again, no he couldn't have been. The D-Backs were in that stupid "we need to get a major league player" for him. The only team that was going to get Haren was a team that had a starter who had been in the majors for 2-3 years that they were willing to part with. It would have been giving up Danks or Floyd for the White Sox. I would gladly give up Floyd for Haren. And depending upon Haren's contract status, I'd give up Danks, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 05:41 AM) Hearing that makes Gingers post make a lot more sense to me. I think the shoulder stiffness thing was the outlier, and not the lat. maybe he can be back on track sooner than later. I hate to say it, but his doc didn't think he would pitch again until July. So far he's been right on everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 After an MRI in Chicago on Tuesday came back normal, Peavy said his discomfort was attributed to the breaking down of scar tissue from the surgery. “Absolutely it was good news, but it’s disappointing for me personally,” Peavy said, who felt the discomfort in a rehab start Monday at Double-A Birmingham. “I felt I wasn’t that far away. I was feeling so good. To feel something close to what I felt right before I blew it out at the repair site was the disturbing thing. But everything checked out it’s good. There is very little fluid in there. We think it’s scar tissue issues that can create [discomfort].” Peavy said his he has already started his six day course of anti inflammatories and will indeed resume throwing Friday at Detroit. He will throw a regular between start bullpen session next week and take aim at a rehab start as early as Thursday of next week. “Structurally, everything is sound,” Peavy said. “In spring training, my shoulder was just taxed too much and that was the cause of the setback. This is the first time anything has happened with the lat. When we got the MRI yesterday and it shows this thing is intact and locked down as good as it can look, that is a huge sigh of relief and an allowance to keep going forward.” Peavy said he felt pain on his first pitch Monday, but thinking it was simply scar tissue he pushed himself through 15 mostly ineffective pitches before calling it a night. While doing everything he could to get back before the original timetable of one year, the estimate by doctors continues to stand. “When you have the major surgery that I had, the one thing I keep going back is the doctors saying, ‘Jake when you have a major tendon repair it takes about a year,’” Peavy said. “The doctor confirmed it [Tuesday]: ‘I’m not guessing it takes a year, it’s proven that over years from ACLs to ulnar collateral ligaments it’s about a year’s process, 12-to-18 months for things to settle down and you’re about as good as you’re going to get.’” That late April projection for Peavy’s return to the White Sox rotation obviously won’t happen now and nobody seems interested in making a new projection now. “[i’m] not sure what [pitch count] they’re going to pull me back to or let me do,” Peavy said. “We’ll see. I’ll be glad when it’s all over, I can promise you that.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Scar Tissue Issues is a sweet phrase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) Scar Tissue Issues is a sweet phrase That would make a great band name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) maybe he can be back on track sooner than later. I hate to say it, but his doc didn't think he would pitch again until July. So far he's been right on everything else. Well, he HAS pitched, just not up here. Like ptac said, no one really knows how this particular injury is going to affect him. All we can hope for is that these are just growing pains in his process of getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 That late April projection for Peavy’s return to the White Sox rotation obviously won’t happen now and nobody seems interested in making a new projection now. LOL, that says so much. I understand the feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 12:47 PM) Well, he HAS pitched, just not up here. Like ptac said, no one really knows how this particular injury is going to affect him. All we can hope for is that these are just growing pains in his process of getting better. They are going to keep going through the same process of trying to increase his number of pitches to 100 in consecutive appearances without pain. that's when they'll bring him up. Currently his limit seems to be about 75-80. The endurance of the arm just isn't there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Apr 21, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) Well, he HAS pitched, just not up here. Like ptac said, no one really knows how this particular injury is going to affect him. All we can hope for is that these are just growing pains in his process of getting better. obviously, but his surgeon didn't think he would be back on the mound for the Sox until July. That was taking into account his recovery and rehab. He didn't mean that he wouldn't pick up a baseball until July '11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) obviously, but his surgeon didn't think he would be back on the mound for the Sox until July. That was taking into account his recovery and rehab. He didn't mean that he wouldn't pick up a baseball until July '11. Surgeons are surgeons. Surgeons are not physical therapists. That isn't exact...it was merely an estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:41 AM) Surgeons are surgeons. Surgeons are not physical therapists. That isn't exact...it was merely an estimate. and your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) and your point is? That the surgeon giving a 12 month estimate doesn't mean that it can't be 9-10 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 And its always good practice to give a conservative estimate, because no one ever complains if they get healthy earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) And its always good practice to give a conservative estimate, because no one ever complains if they get healthy earlier. And conversely, they will if it takes longer. Had his surgeon said he'd be 100% back to health and pitching in the major leagues by April 1st, there would be a lot of angry parties right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Jake Peavy played catch before Friday's White Sox game at Comerica Park and felt "relatively good." Peavy threw from about 70 feet and just went through a nice and easy session. His goal is to stretch out to long toss on Saturday, have a bullpen session on Sunday and then reassess where he stands. "Maybe get on a mound Sunday, if it feels good, and I expect it will," Peavy said. "I just played easy catch to make sure I can jump back on the wagon. When you're structurally sound and they say you're structurally sound, then it's nice to go throw with that peace of mind and know that if you feel anything, you know what you're feeling." This latest activity starts another round down the comeback trail for Peavy, who last week felt as if he was just two Minor League rehab starts away from a return to the Majors. Peavy, whose 2010 season ended with experimental surgery to reattach the tendon that anchors the latissimus dorsi muscle to the rear of the shoulder, was shut down once again this past Monday after 15 pitches for Double-A Birmingham, feeling pain in the repaired area. That pain turned out to be scar tissue breaking up. He started on an anti-inflammatory called Medrol, which Peavy believes has calmed down the problem. Peavy will know more as to where he stands when he throws off a mound. "A tell-tale sign will be when I get on the mound and try to let something go and make sure everything is settled in there and we got no problems and go out on rehab after that," Peavy said. "I told you guys a lot. I felt normal today and nothing out of the ordinary." "Today, we just played catch and took it out for a test run," White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper said. "It's the first time he's picked up a ball since the last try, so we weren't going to come out and bust it, that's for sure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Trading for this guy was a joke...now all we're looking for is if the dude can play long toss or a simulated game. And when he does come back...how long until the next muscle pops out of joint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:05 PM) Trading for this guy was a joke...now all we're looking for is if the dude can play long toss or a simulated game. And when he does come back...how long until the next muscle pops out of joint. YEAH MARK PRIOR HAS MADE AS MANY APPEARANCES IN AAA AS THIS FOOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) YEAH MARK PRIOR HAS MADE AS MANY APPEARANCES IN AAA AS THIS FOOL I know you're playing. But he's right. No discomfort playing catch? lol. I want that trade back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 03:05 AM) Trading for this guy was a joke...now all we're looking for is if the dude can play long toss or a simulated game. And when he does come back...how long until the next muscle pops out of joint. I can't imagine a scenario in which he becomes this dominant, injury-free stud ever again. Not his fault, he truly is a gamer and I like everything he's ever said to the media. I'd think he'll pitch his ass off next time he returns to the big leagues and prolly really seriously injure his arm and that'll be it for his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 We're back to reporting about Jake playing long catch. The cycle of "f*** me" continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:30 PM) We're back to reporting about Jake playing long catch. The cycle of "f*** me" continues. There is no way this game is gonna be able to give a Major League baseball team five innings every fifth day this year. He feels fine in his long toss, then feels discomfort or hurts himself in two weeks and we're back to square one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) YEAH MARK PRIOR HAS MADE AS MANY APPEARANCES IN AAA AS THIS FOOL Seriously though, it's starting to feel like all of those Prior/Wood "simulated games" and "towel exercises" that we used to hear all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhawk99 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 This bum reminds me of a guy with a pain in the ass exwife, you still have to pay her and you get nothing in return. Maybe he can play some more long toss between his trips to the bank cashing more check he didn't earn. He must be laughing big time on the inside while telling us how he is getting closer to another comeback. Kenny just right this cancer off and lets move on without his sorry crippled ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 23, 2011 -> 03:37 AM) Seriously though, it's starting to feel like all of those Prior/Wood "simulated games" and "towel exercises" that we used to hear all about. Yes it reminds me exactly of that. Bhawk99 you are a little harsh I think. Nobody's ever questioned Peavy's 'want-to' in this matter. He can't help it if his arm has imploded at this stage of his life. I wouldn't call him a bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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