ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) When did Boston get a pitching staff? Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Beckett, Matsuzaka will be enough for that lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeavyTime Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 08:48 PM) Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Beckett, Matsuzaka will be enough for that lineup. When was the last WS won off of offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 08:48 PM) Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Beckett, Matsuzaka will be enough for that lineup. I can easily see Beckett bouncing back with a Beckett-like year. He clearly wasn't healthy last year. And his peripheral stats were still plenty good. Much the same with Lackey. He had what could be considered an off-year and still posted a solid 4.0 WAR (our two best pitchers from a year ago posted WARs of 4.3 each). He should be better in his second go-around in the AL east. I'd love to be wrong, of course. I just don't see it. Edited March 31, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 10:21 PM) When was the last WS won off of offense? 2009 Yankees? 2008 Phillies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeavyTime Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) 2009 Yankees? 2008 Phillies? I've give you the 09 Yankees, but they are more an exception than the rule. 2008 Phillies were pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 10:38 PM) I've give you the 09 Yankees, but they are more an exception than the rule. 2008 Phillies were pitching. Ehh, I don't know. Hamels Moyer Myers Kendrick Eaton/Blanton Hamels was the only one with a great year. Moyer had an above-average year, Myers had an average year, while Kendrick, Eaton, and Blanton all had pretty bad years. And a loaded offense with Burrel, Howard, and Utley with 33+ HR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 09:38 PM) I've give you the 09 Yankees, but they are more an exception than the rule. 2008 Phillies were pitching. You're right for the most part. Teams with subpar pitching rarely end up winning it all. But you're assuming guys like Beckett/Lackey, two guys with a number of years of proven performance, will be as bad (and in Lackey's case he wasn't bad) as they were last year. If they are, then Boston won't win it all. But if they bounce back, and there's plenty of reason to believe they will, they're most definitely the team to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 10:07 PM) You're right for the most part. Teams with subpar pitching rarely end up winning it all. But you're assuming guys like Beckett/Lackey, two guys with a number of years of proven performance, will be as bad (and in Lackey's case he wasn't bad) as they were last year. If they are, then Boston won't win it all. But if they bounce back, and there's plenty of reason to believe they will, they're most definitely the team to beat. Well that's exactly it, teams with sub-par pitching don't pitch well, but teams with OK pitching or even just good pitching can do just fine. And beyond even that, it's simply a matter of playing really good baseball and the right time. As pretty much the perfect example of this, the 2001 Diamondbacks won the World Series against a vaunted Yankees team that was playing with a ton of emotion behind them (and for my money, that was my second favorite World Series that I've witnessed and the absolute best overall World Series). That 2001 Diamondbacks team were led by Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson. Their numbers from that year... Schilling - 2.98 ERA, 256.2 IP, 7.3 bWAR Johnson - 2.49 ERA, 249.2 IP, 8.4 bWAR I'm not going to do any complicated math, but those two combined for 500+ IP. That was 1/3 of the innings that the Diamondbacks pitching staff threw that year (which is pretty f'ing remarkable). Their starting pitchers' ERA that year 3.88; their bullpen ERA was 3.88, which is good but not fantastic. I think the general point has been made. It's late and I'm rambling and the Red Sox have enough pitching talent to win a World Series. So do the White Sox and Athletics and Yankees and quite a few other teams around the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 09:22 PM) I can easily see Beckett bouncing back with a Beckett-like year. He clearly wasn't healthy last year. And his peripheral stats were still plenty good. Much the same with Lackey. He had what could be considered an off-year and still posted a solid 4.0 WAR (our two best pitchers from a year ago posted WARs of 4.3 each). He should be better in his second go-around in the AL east. I'd love to be wrong, of course. I just don't see it. he obviously could, but if memory serves me right the issue with him is a bad back, that could also linger/flare up for the rest of his career, especially with the New England springs and falls. Edited March 31, 2011 by SoxFan562004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 29, 2011 -> 05:40 AM) Speaking of baseball networks - anyone else fell that Al Liter on MLB Network is a *bit* too - ummm... enthusiastic? B) he can be a bit of a spaz, but IMO he is very good on MLBN, so was Larkin, but he went to the darkside and is now on ESPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 08:57 AM) he obviously could, but if memory serves me right the issue with him is a bad back, that could also linger/flare up for the rest of his career, especially with the New England springs and falls. Yes, a lot of miles on Lackey and Beckett, too. They were both stud power pitchers at a very early age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 I'm surprised that so many people picked the Sox to win the Central. Everyone at ESPN usually picks the Twins and I thought the Tigers were a popular pick amongst a lot of the "experts". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) Yes, a lot of miles on Lackey and Beckett, too. They were both stud power pitchers at a very early age. I worked with Beckett in the minors. He was a live version of Nuke Laloosh right out of high school. I swear he almost hit the mascot once. Good guy but he does have alot of miles on that arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 12:58 PM) I'm surprised that so many people picked the Sox to win the Central. Everyone at ESPN usually picks the Twins and I thought the Tigers were a popular pick amongst a lot of the "experts". Tigers defense and bull-pen are likely a major concern for people making predictions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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