Rex Hudler Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) FWIW I pulled this off the salukitalk website W L W L Wichita St. 15-2(MVC) 24-4(overall) Creighton 13-4(MVC) 24-5(overall) Drake 9-8(MVC) 16-13(overall) Missouri St. 9-8(MVC) 16-14(overall) Northern Iowa 8-9(MVC)18-12(overall) Illinois St. 8-9(MVC) 17-12(overall) Indiana St. 8-9(MVC) 17-12(overall) Evansville 8-9(MVC) 14-14(overall) SIU 5-12(MVC) 8-21(overall) Bradley 2-15(MVC) 7-23(overall) I believe H2H is how it shakes out right now That doesn't answer my question. There is a very good chance that 5 teams will be 9-9 after this weekend, with Indiana State sitting in 8th place at 8-10. Head to head comparisons can't work in a 5-way tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 12:22 PM) That doesn't answer my question. There is a very good chance that 5 teams will be 9-9 after this weekend, with Indiana State sitting in 8th place at 8-10. Head to head comparisons can't work in a 5-way tie. 1. Round robin head to head. 2. Non conference strength of schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 12:22 PM) That doesn't answer my question. There is a very good chance that 5 teams will be 9-9 after this weekend, with Indiana State sitting in 8th place at 8-10. Head to head comparisons can't work in a 5-way tie. Sure they can, as a pool. Take each team's record against the other four, and that amounts to a H2H record amongst the tied teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 11:01 AM) Sort of. I think a lot depends on Texas. If Texas can't win-out, which they probably won't, then I think ISU is a near-lock (call it 90%) even if they lose all three. I think that is where you and I disagreed before - . I'd be shocked if the B12 didn't send 5 teams. I know that isn't truly part of the formula, but when it comes time to selections, I think it definitely comes into play. Furthermore, take a look at Texas and ISU's resumes right now: ISU: 20-8 / 10-5... 2 wins against Top 25, 3 wins against Top 50 TEX: 17-11 / 7-8... 1 win against Top 25, 3 wins against Top 50 ISU gets to play KSU, so they have some chance of adding to the Top 25-against resume, Texas plays KU. ISU has played better against the stronger in-conference competition. I just think the only way Texas passes ISU is if ISU loses all three and Texas wins all three. Just my view of things. Now what may be really interesting is, the way things are going, there is a good chance ISU and Texas will play each other first in the B12 tournament. So even if Texas and ISU do end up 20-11 / 10-8, and Texas then has a stronger resume, ISU could STILL get in by winning that game, which is in KC and will likely be semi-home for ISU. The only path I see with ISU not going, is they lose the next four games, and Texas wins the next four, or at least 3 of the next 4. I think our destiny is almost assuredly Kansas State in the 4-5 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 01:30 PM) Sure they can, as a pool. Take each team's record against the other four, and that amounts to a H2H record amongst the tied teams. I stand corrected. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 06:49 AM) College football & basketball are practically pro sports in todays age anyway. That's not the point. I'm referring to the fact that college players are 1-4 year rentals and right when they're at their best they leave. Obviously there's player movement in pro sports, but for the most part you are able to get compensation for a player in the form of a trade or at the very least open cap space. If you're qualifying for the 2013 'Champions League' in the 2012 season it kind of screws things up in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (danman31 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:15 PM) That's not the point. I'm referring to the fact that college players are 1-4 year rentals and right when they're at their best they leave. Obviously there's player movement in pro sports, but for the most part you are able to get compensation for a player in the form of a trade or at the very least open cap space. If you're qualifying for the 2013 'Champions League' in the 2012 season it kind of screws things up in college. That's why they included the option that if you qualify for the following season's Champions League as a senior, you gain an extra year of eligibility to play in the next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Not gonna matter. Witchita State is gonna win Arch Madness anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) 1. Round robin head to head. 2. Non conference strength of schedule. Okay, here is how things will shake out then. All of this is based on the premise that this weekend... Evansville beats Missour State at home Northern Iowa wins @ SIU Illinois State wins @ Bradley Drake loses @ Wichita State Indiana State losing at home to Creighton. (If ISU wins we would have a six-way tie!) If the above doesn't happen, then none of this matters. If all 5 finish 9-9 the head to head: Evansville and Illinois State finish 5-3 Northern Iowa 4-4 Drake and Missouri State 3-5 Based on strength of schedule I would think the seedings would be: 3. Evansville 4. Illinois State 5. Northern Iowa 6. Drake 7. Missouri State I guess Evansville's game against Mo St. this weekend is a pretty big game for both. A win guarantees Mo St. the #3 seed at 10-8. A loss would likely drop Evansville all the way to 8th, losing a tiebreaker to IN St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 03:10 PM) Not gonna matter. Witchita State is gonna win Arch Madness anyway. Come on Brian, how many times did SIU, UNI, Creighton, WSU go into arch madness as the heavy favorite only to lose? Anything is possible. Except SIU winning it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 03:18 PM) Come on Brian, how many times did SIU, UNI, Creighton, WSU go into arch madness as the heavy favorite only to lose? Anything is possible. Except SIU winning it all Agreed but I just feel they are the hottest team by far in the conference now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) I think our destiny is almost assuredly Kansas State in the 4-5 game. Oh yeah, I was interpereting the format wrong. Yes, I'd agree, now that I look at it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 02:42 PM) That's why they included the option that if you qualify for the following season's Champions League as a senior, you gain an extra year of eligibility to play in the next season. Which is contrived and a bit lame. Players are still going to go to the NBA so the players staying would only be second tier, at best, players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 03:36 PM) Agreed but I just feel they are the hottest team by far in the conference now. They are but that can certainly change in 2 weeks. It will most definitely be WSU or CU though. I could see MSU, InSU or UE beating one of them but not both on back to back days. There would have to be complete chaos for a team other than the Shockers or Jays to win imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Wow refs, when the ball hits the backboard and a guy blocks it, its a goal tend. Terrible terrible call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I think this game I may have to actually start b****ing about refs, because this is just terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I hope all those Iowa students show up for their NIT game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well I assume at half Ryan gets told that hes been screwed at least a handful of times, so I expect that if it keeps going this way Ryan gets a technical in the 2nd. That being said, even with all the nonsense, Wisconsin can win this game if they play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 06:47 PM) Well I assume at half Ryan gets told that hes been screwed at least a handful of times, so I expect that if it keeps going this way Ryan gets a technical in the 2nd. That being said, even with all the nonsense, Wisconsin can win this game if they play better. Of course they can. They are a better team than Iowa. Plus, Iowa has blown 2 good size leads this year already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 23, 2012 -> 08:17 PM) Wow refs, when the ball hits the backboard and a guy blocks it, its a goal tend. Terrible terrible call. In the NBA its a goaltend, not necessarily in the NCAA. Go Hawks. Edited February 24, 2012 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 The real difference is Gatens cant miss, but I think hell stay hot this whole game, just gotta stop everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Wiscy is shooting 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well if they call it this way Wisconsin will shoot 10+ fts and itll be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 lol Now the refs are calling it ridiculous in Wisconsin's favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Rumor is Ryan is telling recruits they are going to play more fast paced in the future, this year Wisconsin has tried to fast break considerably more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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