Milkman delivers Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (jphat007 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 11:36 AM) Because they need to bring up a pitcher? And if he wouldn't have gone this week, it would've been next week when JP comes up. Or, you know, they could make the right choice and drop Lillibridge. At this point, I'm certain that Ozzie HAS to have a useless player on his roster every year, no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) Or, you know, they could make the right choice and drop Lillibridge. At this point, I'm certain that Ozzie HAS to have a useless player on his roster every year, no matter what. That run he scored in the 9th was kind of useful yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 01:01 PM) That run he scored in the 9th was kind of useful yesterday. I'm sure Kotsay scored a winning or tying run a few times last year. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) Didn't know world series were won during the first week of the season. Either way, our record is solid and our team on paper and on the field looks pretty damn solid to me. THEY'RE NOT?! Gee, thanks for letting me know, mister! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) According to the Sox website, they have 38 players on the 40 man and that is with Gray and no Milledge. Eh. No idea then. Maybe he is out of options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) Eh. No idea then. Maybe he is out of options. He was signed to a minor league contract but then made the team. I'd assume that means he has to pass through waivers to go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) I'm sure Kotsay scored a winning or tying run a few times last year. Good point. Mark Kotsay is a useful player when used properly. If we start to see a ton of Lillibridge ABs, I would be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (hawksfan61 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) What about 2007 and 2008? How many innings did he play in the OF? I don't put much stock into defensive metrics, defense is very hard to measure statistically. I know watching him play in Pittsburgh the last couple years he is not a good OF. How do the other defensive metrics other than UZR measure his defense? In 2008 he didn't play any LF, and in 2007 he was below average, but only played 11 games, so we can throw that one out too, along with 2006 where he only played 26 games. So 2009 and 2010 were the only seasons he played a good amount of time in LF, and was above average in LF both times according to UZR, UZR/150, and ErrR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) Mark Kotsay is a useful player when used properly. If we start to see a ton of Lillibridge ABs, I would be surprised. Any player that makes a major league club isn't literally entirely useless. I'm hoping your original response was facetious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Damn, tensions are beginning to boil. Odds are very good that Milledge clears waivers. He still has a reputation of a problem child, and he has looked absolutely brutal in the field. There is also undoubtedly going to be thought that, if he leaves the Sox organization, a place where he has seemingly been happy for the past 2 months, he is going to throw a fit and cause a ruckus on the opposing team. Anybody who claimed him would have to either keep him on their roster, which I doubt would happen, or they'd have to send him through waivers, at which point I imagine the Sox would put a claim in for him again, and they will continue to play waiver tag until Lastings ends up in Charlotte. If he plays in Charlotte, he'll atleast get to play the outfield everyday. If he hasn't figure out how to catch a flyball yet, he's never going to, but atleast in Charlotte he'll get regular opportunities to do so. Perhaps when he comes up the next time, he won't look like an 8 year old, which is to say that he is scared but willing to make the play, kind of half sticking his arm out hoping it falls into his glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (daa84 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 08:03 AM) we certainly needed another bullpen arm (with the state of this pen...we certainly need to carry 12 pitchers, not 11), but its a joke that lillibridge is on this team instead of milledge...so im guessing there was something this guy did that didnt win him favors in the clubhouse If you value defense and versatility, Lillibridge's ability to play 2B, SS, CF, and LF reasonably well makes him more valuable. Or, to put it another way, Lillibridge fills a role on this team. He's a nice utility player. Milledge's bat may hit a lot better, but he can't play defense well enough to take Pierre's spot in the lineup or fill the OF utility role. Edited April 7, 2011 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) Eh. No idea then. Maybe he is out of options. He is. Being a Minor League deal, the option would not come into play for Milledge to start the season with Triple-A Charlotte. If Milledge's contract is purchased by the White Sox, then the outfielder is out of options. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) THEY'RE NOT?! Gee, thanks for letting me know, mister! If you overreact all the time, you are due to get some comments. Especially since you get all huffy about Milledge being cut after a coupls misplayed balls but at the same time get all huffy about how bad the Sox are after a couple games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) He is. Link Thanks for the research! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:02 PM) If you overreact all the time, you are due to get some comments. Especially since you get all huffy about Milledge being cut after a coupls misplayed balls but at the same time get all huffy about how bad the Sox are after a couple games. I get "huffy" because it's been the same old song and dance up to this point. Thank God Edwin Jackson has been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) I get "huffy" because it's been the same old song and dance up to this point. Thank God Edwin Jackson has been good. Yeah, the same old song and dance. No accountability. Except for Lastings Milledge. Who got held accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) Damn, tensions are beginning to boil. Odds are very good that Milledge clears waivers. He still has a reputation of a problem child, and he has looked absolutely brutal in the field. There is also undoubtedly going to be thought that, if he leaves the Sox organization, a place where he has seemingly been happy for the past 2 months, he is going to throw a fit and cause a ruckus on the opposing team. Anybody who claimed him would have to either keep him on their roster, which I doubt would happen, or they'd have to send him through waivers, at which point I imagine the Sox would put a claim in for him again, and they will continue to play waiver tag until Lastings ends up in Charlotte. If he plays in Charlotte, he'll atleast get to play the outfield everyday. If he hasn't figure out how to catch a flyball yet, he's never going to, but atleast in Charlotte he'll get regular opportunities to do so. Perhaps when he comes up the next time, he won't look like an 8 year old, which is to say that he is scared but willing to make the play, kind of half sticking his arm out hoping it falls into his glove. Eh erhm..... HE'S THROWN FIELDED TWO f***ING GAMES And I highly doubt he clears waivers. He CHOOSE the Sox. He had other offers. After that spring he put him, I'd be surprised if someone doesn't put in a claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) Yeah, the same old song and dance. No accountability. Except for Lastings Milledge. Who got held accountable. For playing poor defense in two games. Look, I understand it's easier to attack the poster who is being negative, but we all know the pitching has been bad outside of Jackson. And even though we've put some good runs on the board, we've also already seen instances of not having the best approaches at the plate when we need to scratch one our two runs across. In this short, short season, we've seen a good offense complimented by bad pitching. That is a trend with this team (although sometimes reversed) where one aspect of the team drastically underperforms and it eventually costs the division. Of course people are going to ask how I can judge the team after so few games, but it isn't acceptable to judge Milledge so quickly. That's because Milledge is completely new to this team, whereas the team itself is basically the same over the years with few changes. Again, thank the Lord for Jackson. Edited April 7, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) Eh erhm..... And I highly doubt he clears waivers. He CHOOSE the Sox. He had other offers. After that spring he put him, I'd be surprised if someone doesn't put in a claim. Fielding is different from pitching. You could watch me for one inning and know that I was clueless in the outfield. And yet, I did mention that if he went to Charlotte and played everyday, which he has no chance of doing in Chicago, he'd get to play in the outfield regularly to improve or, at the very least, look better. If he doesn't clear waivers, it's not a huge loss. I think he will, he'll go to Charlotte, and he'll be back up at some point later this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 If Ozzie hadn't made that odd decision to have Pierre DH instead of play LF would Milledge still be on the team today ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) Fielding is different from pitching. You could watch me for one inning and know that I was clueless in the outfield. And yet, I did mention that if he went to Charlotte and played everyday, which he has no chance of doing in Chicago, he'd get to play in the outfield regularly to improve or, at the very least, look better. If he doesn't clear waivers, it's not a huge loss. I think he will, he'll go to Charlotte, and he'll be back up at some point later this year. I hope he clears them too, but I'm not counting on it. De Aza is unfortunately our best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) If Ozzie hadn't made that odd decision to have Pierre DH instead of play LF would Milledge still be on the team today ? He'd still be gone. They needed a pitcher, plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cws0591 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I like Milledge and think he is a good bat. But he was not thrown into a terrible situation where he has seldom played. the position Ozzie put him in the outfield thinking The guy was a career outfielder and could play the position adequately. He Made several terrible plays in one game. To everyone bashing Lillibridge i ask who is the better fielder? who can play more positions? who has more speed? who is the better bunter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) I hope he clears them too, but I'm not counting on it. De Aza is unfortunately our best option. Andruw Jones homered off of Duensing and doubled off of Liriano. He did similar things last year too. Would have been nice to have him back this year while still bringing in Milledge on the MLC. Then Andruw is on the team and Milledge is in Charlotte to begin the year. That would have created an entirely different problem later on, but oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) Andruw Jones homered off of Duensing and doubled off of Liriano. He did similar things last year too. Would have been nice to have him back this year while still bringing in Milledge on the MLC. Then Andruw is on the team and Milledge is in Charlotte to begin the year. That would have created an entirely different problem later on, but oh well. Ha, I watched Jones double today and this immediately came to my mind as well. He definitely would have been the perfect 4th outfielder but I guess you can't get everything you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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