CWSOX45 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I'm sorry, but after sitting through the game tonight and watch Manuel pull Garland opening the gates to a 7 run inning I just can't take it anymore. I have to b**** about Jerry somewhere and where better than here? I've tried to give Jerry credit for our winning streak but now he's on my bad side again. His reason for pulling Garland is LAME. Oh well. Tomorrow's another day.....*sigh* CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted August 5, 2003 Author Share Posted August 5, 2003 No one has anything else to add to this? Am I not the only one that is suffering because of Manuel's mistake?! This is why I hate being a die hard fan.... CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 No man, i'm here. I was irate when he pulled him. the entire time totalling up garland's numbers i was shaking my head and told my friend "i already don't like this" Boom, wheels fall off coincidence? that was one of the quickest hooks i have ever seen, and his comments postgame were complete bulls***. i don't like how he was pitching? Huh? 5+ with 79 pitches and he's gone after a bloop hit? Why did he even start the inning then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 It was an early hook. You are right, but I'm also hacked at garland. He was pitching like a rummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 No one has anything else to add to this? Am I not the only one that is suffering because of Manuel's mistake?! This is why I hate being a die hard fan.... CWSOX45 What else is there to say? I was at the game and didn't get it. JM is a f***ing moron and I don't like the way he manages, so he has to go. Sound lame? Sounds just as lame as JM's reasoning for taking out JG. I heard JG went ape-s*** in the dug out too after being pulled. I didn't see it from where I was sitting but heard it reported on the SCORE. Anyone see this on TV ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Nice post, killa. Sometimes you have to be at the game to get the feel and I sense the crowd was outraged. Now I am thinking JM must go. Those of you there who had a feel for the game better than me and TV think he should have continued on. JM showed no confidence in him at all. Bad move. Our relief sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Garland had one bad inning...and yes it was real bad. But he was dominant before that! So he wasn't s***ty the whole game. The s*** inning really surprised me at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I think the one thing that gets young pitchers in trouble the most is the big inning. Note the big inning, not the big innings in the plural sense. That seems to be what happens to Garland too. I see that he'll go 7 IP with 2 ER a whole hell of a lot, and those 2 runs came in the same inning. Garland had already had his "big inning" and was probably going to cruise through the next 2 or 3 innings. There was no reason Manuel should have taken him out, and as I said, it is why I blame this loss on Manuel. IMO, that was not a good move by Manuel. He probably shattered Garland's confidence and now we'll probably see Judy for the next 3 or 4 starts. Not what a team that is cooling down after being on a very hot streak needed. I just hope to god that Loaiza brings same grade A s*** tomorrow, or we could get our asses handed to us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I didn't like that move when it was made either. Maybe JG will get pissed and decide it's time to show JM how he screwed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Garland had not been pitching effectively the whole game. The point is Manuel wasn't sure how well he could trust his new reliever in Schoeneweis. Manuel has a tendency to overuse new relievers like when we first got Marte or the beginning of 2003 when we had Gordon and White in there. JM will take a new reliever and use him while he's hot and use him and use him until he becomes a discontent piece of s*** like Rick White. Thankfully Schoeneweis will stretch out for a starting job next year and has shown he is vulnerable. Then again Ginter showed he was vulnerable in Seattle so I don't think he was the best choice to pitch after Scott went out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Irish Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 JM is a drill rod. He is a complete ass in the dugout. Not only did he pull JG way too early but how about that f***ing lineup he threw out there on Sunday in Seattle. WTF was he thinking. You are trying to take a series and gain back some momentum and you start 4 guys in the same game that are not everyday players. The Sox have gone on this run and anything they do end up winning (if anything) was all and will all be despite JM. Not only does this team have to beat the other teams, they have a 2nd opponet every game, THEIR MANAGER!!!!!! It is like he doesn't want to win this thing. KC has 3 guys off the bench and that is it. Pena keeps leftys in against leftys and lets his team play. They have nowhere near the talent the Sox have yet we are on 8/5/03 and still chasing them. I have tickets to the game tonite but it is s*** like this that makes me not want to go. :fyou Manuel :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 "[Garland] has a tendency to let some people back in the game after he gets the lead," Manuel said of his decision to remove Garland. The above is from chicagosports.com. What a crock of s***. When Garland pitched in KC last week, they came back and gave him the lead and he settled down and was dominant. As someone above said, if he felt that way, why even have him start the sixth? The sixth inning is way too early to start setting up lefty-lefty matchups. I think the Sox definitely need to take the next two. Hell, if they don't watch out, the Twins will be passing them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 No one has anything else to add to this? Am I not the only one that is suffering because of Manuel's mistake?! This is why I hate being a die hard fan.... CWSOX45 CW... I hear what your saying and feel the frustration.. but other then making a comment and moving on what is there to do? I've spent way too much time stressing about this crap over the past 20+ years. I'm not going to sit here and make an idiot of myself.. call everyone names.. hate everyone on the team.. only to march my happy butt back to Comiskey tomorrow and support them all over again. I will admit though.. I am saying more and more these days.. "it's only one game.. one day at a time.. we'll get 'em next time.." It shouldn't be so aggravating to be a fan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Taking out Garland works if Schoen can just get a few outs, but he didn't have the balls or the stuff to throw it over the plate. We had a three run lead in the sixth. JM is thinking get me two innings and Flash/Marte will win it. The problem wan't taking out Garland early. The problem was Schoen couldn't get anybody out. He is just another run of the mill pitcher who is going to give up runs. Then, once JM brought him in, he's going to leave him in. The feast had started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Taking out Garland works if Schoen can just get a few outs, but he didn't have the balls or the stuff to throw it over the plate. We had a three run lead in the sixth. JM is thinking get me two innings and Flash/Marte will win it. The problem wan't taking out Garland early. The problem was Schoen couldn't get anybody out. He is just another run of the mill pitcher who is going to give up runs. Then, once JM brought him in, he's going to leave him in. The feast had started. Sure, in hindsight you could say well schoeneweis sucked....and if he was good, you would say well good move jerry, cuz schoe got the outs. But, you can't manage in hindsight. Hence when the move happened, i disagreed with it. If it worked, well then i'll keep my mouth shut and say ok good job JM. But, it didn't. There's no reason to go to the pen at that point, none IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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