Government Shutdown on the clock thread

[StrangeSox]

lol, I wish I had finished reading the thread before my last post

No it needs to be repeated over and over. We are only here because hardcore conservatives hate ObamaCare. That's it.

[lostfan]

No it needs to be repeated over and over. We are only here because hardcore conservatives hate ObamaCare. That's it.

In order to support what's happening right now, you have to not respect the democratic system, in pretty much the most literal sense

[Jake]

In closed door meeting, Cruz reveals he has no plan for ending shutdown nor knows how to implement a potential defunding of ACA...remains unwilling to back down

[NorthSideSox72]

People who see me post here know I'm usually all about finding compromise.

 

But what the GOP is doing here is not negotiation. It is blackmail. Much as I hate to admit it, the Dems including Obama and even Harry friggin Reid are 100% right on this one. Blackmail has to be met with a stone wall.

 

[lostfan]

I'm stealing this from Facebook.

 

Ok, we all get together at recess to play kickball. We pick kickball because we all voted on it. The biggest majority of us chose that game over Double Dutch. However.....the jumprope kids are upset that we won't play the game they want. In order to satisfy the jumprope kids, we vote again. 42 times. The vote holds. Does this satisfy the jumprope kids??? Not at all. They ask the principal to throw out the vote and pick jumprope for them. The principal looks at the issues and says no. The jumprope kids tell all the other kids that playing kickball is evil and will kill you. Some of the Special Ed kids ACTUALLY buy that story. We'll call them the "Juicebox Party". They get angry because they don't understand how or why a vote works. They just know they didn't get their way. Finally, after trying everything they could think of, the jumprope kids set the school on fire and blame the kickball kids.

 

This is how I explained the shutdown to a 10 year old. They think the jumprope kids are stupid. I agree.

[Reddy]

People who see me post here know I'm usually all about finding compromise.

 

But what the GOP is doing here is not negotiation. It is blackmail. Much as I hate to admit it, the Dems including Obama and even Harry friggin Reid are 100% right on this one. Blackmail has to be met with a stone wall.

 

They are literally terrorists, and the Dems and Obama cannot negotiate with terrorists. It's the exact same principle.

[EvilMonkey]

Why won't Boehner allow a vote on a clean cr and a clean debt ceiling in the house?

Why won't Reid allow a vote on any of the CR's that the House sent them?

[greg775]

People who see me post here know I'm usually all about finding compromise.

 

But what the GOP is doing here is not negotiation. It is blackmail. Much as I hate to admit it, the Dems including Obama and even Harry friggin Reid are 100% right on this one. Blackmail has to be met with a stone wall.

 

Can't argue your fine point. I'm sick of government officials. Sick of 'em especially the doofuses in Kansas.

[mr_genius]

Really?

 

yes, really.

 

but your hypocrisy doesn't surprise me. i've actually come to expect it. so did you actually ban that guy?

Edited October 3, 2013 by mr_genius

[greg775]

Duke, you have reached an all time low. In my years here I have read some pretty despicable things, yesterday you hit the Hall of Shame. Frankly I am embarrased as a long time member here and a mod to allow your posts to remain visible. I hope that most readers understand that you do not reflect the soxtalk community. As a state employee I personally find your remarks insensitive, demeaning, insulting, and beyond contempt.

 

For the first time since I became a mod I will be recommending that your posting privileges be suspended.

My guess is he's gawn. You can't wish ill on a person's family like he did. Hickory has to be feeling pretty low. He needs the money and has to hit his own retirement funds just to keep the family running. We should be starting a soxtalk fundraising effort if he needs the cash rather than Duke's pathetic stance.

 

Here's a good guideline... when anyone says something along the lines of "ALL (insert any profession here) are (insert demeaning descriptor here)", you can automatically dismiss anything else they type after that. Clearly they are not functioning within the bounds of reality.

Awesome post.

 

Total overreaction. I've seen plenty of peoples careers mocked in here, and u joined in. But now you are offended. Boo hoo

OMG, Mr. Genius. This is what's wrong with America. We only care about ourselves. Geezus, care about your brothers and sisters. WTF.

[mr_genius]

OMG, Mr. Genius. This is what's wrong with America. We only care about ourselves. Geezus, care about your brothers and sisters. WTF.

 

unlike texsox, i do support the workers in this fine country.

Edited October 3, 2013 by mr_genius

[BigSqwert]

unlike texsox, i do support the workers in this fine country.

I think you're lost. The huffpost comment section is actually a different URL. Your trolling would be better suited there.

[pettie4sox]

My guess is he's gawn. You can't wish ill on a person's family like he did. Hickory has to be feeling pretty low. He needs the money and has to hit his own retirement funds just to keep the family running. We should be starting a soxtalk fundraising effort if he needs the cash rather than Duke's pathetic stance.

 

 

Awesome post.

 

I'm down for that. Who wants to be in charge of the slush fund?

[Soxbadger]

If Chisox was really interested Id set up a NFP for Soxtalk where people could donate funds that would be used for other members. Possibly could get it 501c3, but with the govt being shut down.......

 

 

 

Now onto my rant. So tonight I went to Atoms for Peace (amazing) and Im really rolling in deep thought. And Ive been ranting about the govt shutdown for hours, because Im pretty sure no one actually gets the fact that the US govt is now not paying its bills over a f***ing childish game of chicken.

 

This really pains me because I love Lincoln and Reagan, but I want to end the Republican party. I want them to look back at this day and realize this was the day that they mother f***ing blew it because they let their millionaire egos get in the way of just keeping the game going. Thats all these stupid ass b****es had to do, was just keep the god damn ship from hitting the shore.

 

Im actually angry as an American. This reflects poorly on me. Im legitimate, if you lend me money, you get your money back, I dont f***ing break my promises. These clowns are ruining my name, and thats personal.

[StrangeSox]

Why won't Reid allow a vote on any of the CR's that the House sent them?

They'll be vetoed by the president.

 

Are you going to answer any of the other questions?

 

Edit: also I'm pretty sure the Senate did vote them down?

Edited October 3, 2013 by StrangeSox

[Texsox]

yes, really.

 

but your hypocrisy doesn't surprise me. i've actually come to expect it. so did you actually ban that guy?

 

I asked you to find one example where I cheered someone losing their paycheck. I am still waiting. I have consistently supported people in earning a living. The innocent people at Penn State, undocumented workers, and now government workers. I have proven my case. Besides repeating a baseless accusation, what have you proven?

 

And no single mod or admin, besides the sites owner, can suspend or ban anyone. Personal attacks have never been tolerated here.

[pettie4sox]

We could just ask the site owners to start one up? I'm serious about this, I'd be more thing willing to chip in some cash to help people out. At least I know my money will be doing some good in that case.

 

Anyway we can get this rolling?

[cabiness42]

If Chisox was really interested Id set up a NFP for Soxtalk where people could donate funds that would be used for other members. Possibly could get it 501c3, but with the govt being shut down.......

 

OK, before this gets too far, I want to explain my situation in detail so people know exactly what they'd be supporting. My next paycheck would normally arrive 10/12. If the shutdown ends by Monday, I won't miss a paycheck. However, my backup plan for missing a paycheck is to make a withdrawal from my retirement account, and it takes 10 days to get that money, so I couldn't wait until Monday to make that decision and have gone ahead and requested 4 weeks salary. I figure that 4 weeks is a worst-case scenario in a shutdown, and with us spending money only on food, gas, and paying bills, we can make that 4 weeks salary stretch 6-7 weeks if we need to.

 

Now, what I have lost permanently is the 10% penalty I have to pay on that withdrawal, plus I lose the agency match to my retirement contributions for six months. That's going to add up to about $3000. Now, if Soxtalk feels compelled to share in the loss of that $3000, I'm not going to say no, but I don't want anybody believing that I need money in order to feed my family. At least not for another 4+ weeks.

[StrangeSox]

My dad's also been furloughed. They'll be able to float for a little while, but like almost all public employees, they'll start feeling the pinch if this thing drags on very long.

[pettie4sox]

OK, before this gets too far, I want to explain my situation in detail so people know exactly what they'd be supporting. My next paycheck would normally arrive 10/12. If the shutdown ends by Monday, I won't miss a paycheck. However, my backup plan for missing a paycheck is to make a withdrawal from my retirement account, and it takes 10 days to get that money, so I couldn't wait until Monday to make that decision and have gone ahead and requested 4 weeks salary. I figure that 4 weeks is a worst-case scenario in a shutdown, and with us spending money only on food, gas, and paying bills, we can make that 4 weeks salary stretch 6-7 weeks if we need to.

 

Now, what I have lost permanently is the 10% penalty I have to pay on that withdrawal, plus I lose the agency match to my retirement contributions for six months. That's going to add up to about $3000. Now, if Soxtalk feels compelled to share in the loss of that $3000, I'm not going to say no, but I don't want anybody believing that I need money in order to feed my family. At least not for another 4+ weeks.

 

I'm still down to pitch in as long as we have a valid method to get people what they need.

[cabiness42]

My dad's also been furloughed. They'll be able to float for a little while, but like almost all public employees, they'll start feeling the pinch if this thing drags on very long.

 

What agency?

 

[bmags]

Why won't Reid allow a vote on any of the CR's that the House sent them?

 

Because they are attaching riders to things that should be a clean vote.

 

Why hasn't Boehner voted for the 3 clean CRs the Senate has passed? Why has the house suddenly moved to regular order?

 

You want negotiations? How about "okay obama, we'll give you some part of the immigration bill, if you delay x from obama care"

 

That's a negotiation. Both sides give and get something. A negotiation is not "Okay, we're going to take down this country unless you pass all these bills we want!"

[NorthSideSox72]

OK, before this gets too far, I want to explain my situation in detail so people know exactly what they'd be supporting. My next paycheck would normally arrive 10/12. If the shutdown ends by Monday, I won't miss a paycheck. However, my backup plan for missing a paycheck is to make a withdrawal from my retirement account, and it takes 10 days to get that money, so I couldn't wait until Monday to make that decision and have gone ahead and requested 4 weeks salary. I figure that 4 weeks is a worst-case scenario in a shutdown, and with us spending money only on food, gas, and paying bills, we can make that 4 weeks salary stretch 6-7 weeks if we need to.

 

Now, what I have lost permanently is the 10% penalty I have to pay on that withdrawal, plus I lose the agency match to my retirement contributions for six months. That's going to add up to about $3000. Now, if Soxtalk feels compelled to share in the loss of that $3000, I'm not going to say no, but I don't want anybody believing that I need money in order to feed my family. At least not for another 4+ weeks.

If your retirement plan is a 401k, they often allow for you to take loans out, and pay the interest back to yourself, without the tax penalty.

 

[StrangeSox]

Because they are attaching riders to things that should be a clean vote.

 

Why hasn't Boehner voted for the 3 clean CRs the Senate has passed? Why has the house suddenly moved to regular order?

 

You want negotiations? How about "okay obama, we'll give you some part of the immigration bill, if you delay x from obama care"

 

That's a negotiation. Both sides give and get something. A negotiation is not "Okay, we're going to take down this country unless you pass all these bills we want!"

 

FWIW, the Democrats have been asking the Republicans to go into budget reconciliation negotiations for months. The Republicans have refused to allow this process to happen.

[cabiness42]

If your retirement plan is a 401k, they often allow for you to take loans out, and pay the interest back to yourself, without the tax penalty.

 

The Federal retirement plan isn't exactly a 401k, though it's very similar. In any case, I already have an outstanding loan from when we bought our house, and the rules do not allow for a second loan, nor for refinancing the existing loan. It also doesn't allow for taking out a loan while in a nonpay status.