Government Shutdown on the clock thread

[Y2HH]

Its almost impossible to really figure out how well a small business is doing. And Im pretty sure that most Democrats would be okay with a tax on "mega corporations".

 

I wonder which side would fight it...

 

The real tragedy here is that this is all fixable.

 

I can answer that now.

 

The Republicans would scream bloody murder before even reading the legislation.

 

The Democrats would write a 500 page bill to impose fake new taxes none of the corporations would actually pay, due to numerous loopholes added to whatever legislation they actually pass.

 

And the Republicans would still scream bloody murder.

 

And whether said bill passes or not, not a dime more would get collected.

[Y2HH]

does that mean they should be unemployed? who will we find to take their place?

 

Better employees.

 

That's somewhat simple.

 

We have a HUGE swath of unemployed people out there that would love those jobs, and actually do them properly. So let's not pretend there are no people to fill these positions. Also, yes, if you suck at your job and are lazy, you SHOULD be unemployed.

[southsider2k5]

does that mean they should be unemployed? who will we find to take their place?

 

Yeah, unemployment is so low right now, how would we ever fill those jobs.

[Balta1701]

You are confusing record profits to the Fortune 500 as record profits for all. Yes, a lot of the mega corporations are doing better than ever...but they don't employ the majority of people. Small and medium businesses do, and they're not all doing quite as well as Apple.

I can't even check to see is this is true because the employment data is down.

[Reddy]

Better employees.

 

That's somewhat simple.

 

We have a HUGE swath of unemployed people out there that would love those jobs, and actually do them properly. So let's not pretend there are no people to fill these positions. Also, yes, if you suck at your job and are lazy, you SHOULD be unemployed.

 

so you're saying that those employers purposefully hired sub-standard employees? that seems silly.

[Texsox]

The federal employees I have dealt with have been awesome. From my local post office, to staffs at National Parks, IRS, and the Department of Education. Far better than the average WalMart, Best Buy, employee.

[Soxbadger]

I'm not going to support Duke here, but I will say that there are far more s***ty public employees than private employees out there that i've encountered in my day to day life. Ultimately that means nothing as a worker can be s***ty regardless of his employer, but having to deal with clerks at the courthouse or the treasurers office or the like is an exercise in patience. And I do it on a near daily basis.

 

That, and i've had my fair share of litigation involving public constructions workers (various City Departments, road construction crews, etc.) being complete morons. "What's that? We're digging up a water main right near a live electric line? Nah f*** it, let's dig!" Add to that the difficulty the government has firing public employees versus private employees, and you get the stereotype that Duke is referring to.

 

Disagree.

 

Most of the clerks at the courthouse will bend over backwards for me. But then again, Im a nice person and I go out of my way to be appreciative and understanding. They talk with me, ask me how my cases are doing, theyll call my case first if I need to go somewhere, hold it last if I have to be in another room.

 

Clerks, DMV, etc, have to deal with unreasonable jackasses all the time. Unlike a private business they cant just say "get the f*** out", so sure, sometimes they are in a bad mood, they are slow or they are dicks. Same thing happens at a private entity.

 

If you believe that there is some sort of difference between private/public people, I really dont know what to say. People are people. You just dont ever walk into my office and have to deal with the idiots answering my phones, so you dont know that they are worse than a public employee.

 

But then again, I get along with all the people who work at the food places around my business. Service industry is s***ty work. Youd be surprised how far being nice goes.

[Y2HH]

so you're saying that those employers purposefully hired sub-standard employees? that seems silly.

 

No, I'm saying they hired employees, and after being found to be sub-standard, said, meh, let them keep their job.

 

Sometimes you hire bad employees.

 

And do you know what you do when that happens?

 

You're going to love this, it's SO logical.

 

YOU f***ING REPLACE THEM.

[Texsox]

I'm sorry, that's asinine.

 

If they'd run on "We'll get rid of ACA at the expense of hundreds of thousands of American jobs" I doubt they'd have gotten elected.

 

Most were open about not compromising. They are now living their promises. No flip flopping. No lying.

 

 

[Soxbadger]

The federal employees I have dealt with have been awesome. From my local post office, to staffs at National Parks, IRS, and the Department of Education. Far better than the average WalMart, Best Buy, employee.

 

Its just fashionable to knock a public employee.

[Y2HH]

Disagree.

 

Most of the clerks at the courthouse will bend over backwards for me. But then again, Im a nice person and I go out of my way to be appreciative and understanding. They talk with me, ask me how my cases are doing, theyll call my case first if I need to go somewhere, hold it last if I have to be in another room.

 

Clerks, DMV, etc, have to deal with unreasonable jackasses all the time. Unlike a private business they cant just say "get the f*** out", so sure, sometimes they are in a bad mood, they are slow or they are dicks. Same thing happens at a private entity.

 

If you believe that there is some sort of difference between private/public people, I really dont know what to say. People are people. You just dont ever walk into my office and have to deal with the idiots answering my phones, so you dont know that they are worse than a public employee.

 

But then again, I get along with all the people who work at the food places around my business. Service industry is s***ty work. Youd be surprised how far being nice goes.

 

There isn't a single employee at a private business that can say "get the f*** out" without getting their ass fired.

 

Unless you're Tim Cook, or Steve Balmer, or someone like that.

 

But if a common clerk at an Apple store said that to a customer, they'd be fired on the spot.

[Soxbadger]

No, I'm saying they hired employees, and after being found to be sub-standard, said, meh, let them keep their job.

 

Sometimes you hire bad employees.

 

And do you know what you do when that happens?

 

You're going to love this, it's SO logical.

 

YOU f***ING REPLACE THEM.

 

Can I replace them with illegal immigrants who will do the work better and at a fraction of the cost?

 

Because that would really give people an incentive to be good at their job. Competition from people who will go out and break their ass for the same job.

 

[Y2HH]

Can I replace them with illegal immigrants who will do the work better and at a fraction of the cost?

 

Because that would really give people an incentive to be good at their job. Competition from people who will go out and break their ass for the same job.

 

So long as the illegal immigrants pay taxes, I can care less. Just fill the position with people who do a good job.

[southsider2k5]

Can I replace them with illegal immigrants who will do the work better and at a fraction of the cost?

 

Because that would really give people an incentive to be good at their job. Competition from people who will go out and break their ass for the same job.

 

The unions woudl love that...

[Texsox]

I've worked for privatly and publicly owned corporations, two non profits, and now the state government. I can say I worked hard for all of them. I didn't change how I did my job based on who owned the company. Well, that's a lie. I worked my ass off for my own company a bit more.

[Y2HH]

I've worked for privatly and publicly owned corporations, two non profits, and now the state government. I can say I worked hard for all of them. I didn't change how I did my job based on who owned the company. Well, that's a lie. I worked my ass off for my own company a bit more.

 

As would I, and as SHOULD everyone.

 

Unfortunately, in both private AND public positions, they're sometimes filled by bad/lazy employees. The private sector just seems to blow through bad employees a bit easier than public...they tend to shuffle them around, instead of getting rid of them, as firing union employees is always harder.

[southsider2k5]

The federal employees I have dealt with have been awesome. From my local post office, to staffs at National Parks, IRS, and the Department of Education. Far better than the average WalMart, Best Buy, employee.

 

At the federal level they aren't making anywhere near the same amounts of money. That probably has more to do with it than anything.

[Soxbadger]

There isn't a single employee at a private business that can say "get the f*** out" without getting their ass fired.

 

Unless you're Tim Cook, or Steve Balmer, or someone like that.

 

But if a common clerk at an Apple store said that to a customer, they'd be fired on the spot.

 

I said a private business can. A private business can restrict anyone from entering their premises for any reason as long as its not an illegal reason.

 

A public business can not.

 

This leads to dealing with a different type of jackassery. For example, there is a certain lady at cook county who files frivolous lawsuits. She is very notorious. One of my clients was unfortunately sued by her, so I had the pleasure of dealing with her. She used to swear and yell at clerks, they would have to bring police to calm her down. But she always gets to keep coming back and filing FREE court cases.

 

No private business would tolerate that. They would not let someone come into your office scream and berate you every day for $0.

 

So its just not comparable and most people never see how bad it is for a public employee, because they spend their 30 minutes at the DMV every 3 years and wonder.

[Reddy]

No, I'm saying they hired employees, and after being found to be sub-standard, said, meh, let them keep their job.

 

Sometimes you hire bad employees.

 

And do you know what you do when that happens?

 

You're going to love this, it's SO logical.

 

YOU f***ING REPLACE THEM.

 

with magically better employees willing to do amazing work for minimum wage?

Edited October 1, 2013 by Reddy

[Reddy]

Most were open about not compromising. They are now living their promises. No flip flopping. No lying.

 

and not telling the whole truth.

 

we're willing to sacrifice YOUR job so that your employer doesn't have to offer you health care.

 

oh wait...

[Soxbadger]

The unions woudl love that...

 

 

As would I, and as SHOULD everyone.

 

Unfortunately, in both private AND public positions, they're sometimes filled by bad/lazy employees. The private sector just seems to blow through bad employees a bit easier than public...they tend to shuffle them around, instead of getting rid of them, as firing union employees is always harder.

 

Unions to a certain extent have exceeded their use. While it is great that they fought against child labor and other horrible things, its not clear if they are helping or hurting anymore.

 

But in general Im against restriction of labor, so unions have been kind of annoying me lately.

[BigSqwert]

Disagree.

 

Most of the clerks at the courthouse will bend over backwards for me. But then again, Im a nice person and I go out of my way to be appreciative and understanding. They talk with me, ask me how my cases are doing, theyll call my case first if I need to go somewhere, hold it last if I have to be in another room.

 

Clerks, DMV, etc, have to deal with unreasonable jackasses all the time. Unlike a private business they cant just say "get the f*** out", so sure, sometimes they are in a bad mood, they are slow or they are dicks. Same thing happens at a private entity.

 

If you believe that there is some sort of difference between private/public people, I really dont know what to say. People are people. You just dont ever walk into my office and have to deal with the idiots answering my phones, so you dont know that they are worse than a public employee.

 

But then again, I get along with all the people who work at the food places around my business. Service industry is s***ty work. Youd be surprised how far being nice goes.

 

Sorry you're wrong. Jenks' anecdotal evidence is proof that public employees are worthless.

[southsider2k5]

Sorry you're wrong. Jenks' anecdotal evidence is proof that public employees are worthless.

 

Not that anecdotal evidence, the other one.

[Jenksismyhero]

Disagree.

 

Most of the clerks at the courthouse will bend over backwards for me. But then again, Im a nice person and I go out of my way to be appreciative and understanding. They talk with me, ask me how my cases are doing, theyll call my case first if I need to go somewhere, hold it last if I have to be in another room.

 

Clerks, DMV, etc, have to deal with unreasonable jackasses all the time. Unlike a private business they cant just say "get the f*** out", so sure, sometimes they are in a bad mood, they are slow or they are dicks. Same thing happens at a private entity.

 

If you believe that there is some sort of difference between private/public people, I really dont know what to say. People are people. You just dont ever walk into my office and have to deal with the idiots answering my phones, so you dont know that they are worse than a public employee.

 

But then again, I get along with all the people who work at the food places around my business. Service industry is s***ty work. Youd be surprised how far being nice goes.

 

Yes, SB, it must be because you are nice and I'm a dick to these people. That's the only explanation. Perhaps my error was calling them dumbasses before explaining what I need. I'll stop doing that from now on.

 

I'm not sure what division and courtrooms you work in, but the Daley center is FILLED with workers as dumb as posts who could give a s*** about their job or helping people out. Yes, there are a few diamonds in the rough over there, but as a whole, it sucks dealing with those people. I'm not talking about judges clerks (though they're not all perfect either), i'm talking about the actual peons working in the various clerk offices - the 8th floor, the archive room, anything underground. They're the people that do work that a computer can do but because they're public employees and part of the union the county/city have to continue to pay them to be data entry clerks. It's a similar issue with people over at City Hall.

 

And no doubt they have to deal with s***ty people and that probably puts them in a bad mood sometimes. But bad moods are temporary. Being an idiot is not.

 

Also i'm glad you completely ignored what I said (referring to the bolded). Almost word for word I admitted that in my post.

[Jenksismyhero]

Sorry you're wrong. Jenks' anecdotal evidence is proof that public employees are worthless.

 

Well, you're clearly a public employee because you can't read!