flavum Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I'm sure Dan Bernstein will have some nice things to say tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I'm all for giving Santos the next chance to close. Latroy Thornton needs to shut down the 8th inning for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) I'm all for giving Santos the next chance to close. Latroy Thornton needs to shut down the 8th inning for us. That's exactly who Thornton reminds me of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Im not saying im against Santos (in fact I clearly was one of the few questioning Thornton after the Royals game but for different reasons), but if you go to Santos, you cant go back to Thornton for a while or else youre going to mess with all of their heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 11:07 PM) He gave up a leadoff double and then a rocket that luckily went right at Konerko. Then he gave up a bomb to the warning track. He was likely going to blow that game. And he could have easily gotten the third out on the next batter. Might be for the best if Ozzie finally yanks Thornton out from being the closer. I'd rather Thornton be 0-3 in save chances then something like 20-30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:12 AM) I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. It can be though, and who knows, he might struggle just as much in the 8th inning right now. His stuff just isn't that good for the time being. Can't keep blowing games though, as it's not like you're letting Mariano Rivera work his way through some issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. How many chances does he get? We have 3 blown saves already and he's recorded exactly zero successfully, hell, he hasn't even come close to closing a game. I think the experiment is over now, before we give away any more games just for the sake of 1 player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. A month? You have to be kidding. So if he blows 3 more saves in, say, 2 weeks... still keep his ass out there??? I really hope you just worded that incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 11:12 PM) I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. But it is. It's not like the sample size of a new guy trying to close is limited to Thornton. We've seen tons of players all across MLB struggle when thrown into the closer role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) How many chances does he get? We have 3 blown saves already and he's recorded exactly zero successfully, hell, he hasn't even come close to closing a game. I think the experiment is over now, before we give away any more games just for the sake of 1 player. And you're denying with sufficient defense he'd have blown the last two? Don't get me wrong. I'm not letting Matt off the hook. But I just don't feel all that confident in letting Santos take over the role. That first sentence didn't sound right. But I'm drunk and I know you can understand what I meant. Edited April 12, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Hes got at most 1-2 real chances left. Even the biggest supporter would have to question at that point. 0-3 I can see is bad luck, but 0-5 thats more than some guys blow in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Oh and while blaming Pierre is perfecty legit, because wtf...note that other pitchers on our team had to pitch over errors or dropped foul balls (like Beckhams tonight) and have done just that. Thornton hasn't even looked to come close in recording easy outs, fooling anyone, or being able to pitch over errors...all things a closer needs to be able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 And you're denying with sufficient defense he'd have blown the last two? Don't get me wrong. I'm not letting Matt off the hook. But I just don't feel all that confident in letting Santos take over the role. Santos CLEARLY has a better arsenal to be a closer and Thornton is not himself while he's in this role. You don't play around with shut like this and give away games; you try something else and try to find something that works. It's clear Thornton is not adjusting to this role; get him out and where he's comfortable (not to mention what's more logical) before any more damage is done on the team, much less Matt's mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. It really is believe it or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) A month? You have to be kidding. So if he blows 3 more saves in, say, 2 weeks... still keep his ass out there??? I really hope you just worded that incorrectly. Sale? A rookie who hasn't exactly flourished this year? Santos? Would we really be any worse off if we left Thornton in the role for now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Sale? A rookie who hasn't exactly flourished this year? Santos? Would we really be any worse off if we left Thornton in the role for now? Wow. You really are drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning. No, terrible. 3 straight blown saves? I don't give a f*** if he had nobody playing defense at all. Did Jenks ever have 3 straight blown saves? We can't afford this crap. There are other options and Thornton, IMO, has proven all there is to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 04:18 AM) Sale? A rookie who hasn't exactly flourished this year? Santos? Would we really be any worse off if we left Thornton in the role for now? Yes...Santos is our long term closer of the future anyways. Put Thornton in the 8th inning, as he's going to be there anyways when Sale becomes a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:17 PM) Santos CLEARLY has a better arsenal to be a closer and Thornton is not himself while he's in this role. You don't play around with shut like this and give away games; you try something else and try to find something that works. It's clear Thornton is not adjusting to this role; get him out and where he's comfortable (not to mention what's more logical) before any more damage is done on the team, much less Matt's mentality. Note that the Cubs took who was pretty much the best 8th inning guy I've ever seen (Hawkins), moved him to closer where he failed...kept him there in hopes he'd pitch through it...and effectively ruined his career. He never recovered. I'd like to not see that happen to Thornon, and right now, that's exactly what I see, despite it bring early to call this that way, I am anyway...because it's my opinion that the same thing is occurring right before our eyes. Thornton doesnt even look close to comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 03:20 AM) Note that the Cubs took who was pretty much the best 8th inning guy I've ever seen (Hawkins), moved him to closer where he failed...kept him there in hopes he'd pitch through it...and effectively ruined his career. He never recovered. I'd like to not see that happen to Thornon, and right now, that's exactly what I see, despite it bring early to call this that way, I am anyway...because it's my opinion that the same thing is occurring right before our eyes. Thornton doesnt even look close to comfortable. I'm with you 100% on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 12, 2011 Author Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) No, terrible. 3 straight blown saves? I don't give a f*** if he had nobody playing defense at all. Did Jenks ever have 3 straight blown saves? We can't afford this crap. There are other options and Thornton, IMO, has proven all there is to prove. I respectfully disagree with you and others who have made good points. Believe me, I recognize how fragile the closer role is. I just can't get behind Matt's stuff not being sufficient enough. We're not talking Fernando Rodney or Brandon Lyons here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Note that the Cubs took who was pretty much the best 8th inning guy I've ever seen (Hawkins), moved him to closer where he failed...kept him there in hopes he'd pitch through it...and effectively ruined his career. He never recovered. I'd like to not see that happen to Thornon, and right now, that's exactly what I see, despite it bring early to call this that way, I am anyway...because it's my opinion that the same thing is occurring right before our eyes. Thornton doesnt even look close to comfortable. I don't know how many times people need to see s*** like that before they believe that risks like these aren't worth taking. Thornton has had nothing at all yet on his fastball and can't seem get anything but a hard hit ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:20 PM) Note that the Cubs took who was pretty much the best 8th inning guy I've ever seen (Hawkins), moved him to closer where he failed...kept him there in hopes he'd pitch through it...and effectively ruined his career. He never recovered. I'd like to not see that happen to Thornon, and right now, that's exactly what I see, despite it bring early to call this that way, I am anyway...because it's my opinion that the same thing is occurring right before our eyes. Thornton doesnt even look close to comfortable. Great point.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:23 PM) I don't know how many times people need to see s*** like that before they believe that risks like these aren't worth taking. Thornton has had nothing at all yet on his fastball and can't seem get anything but a hard hit ball. And it needs to be done sooner than later. Note that Hawkins was returned to the 8th inning spot after leaving the Cubs, and never returned to form...they ruined him mentally, and that's what Thornton looks like right now...mentally defeated. Pierre is a footnote in this...the fact that Thornton hasn't recorded a single easy out, or looked dominating over any hitter thus far is alarming...and it could end up costing us more than just a few games, but the best setup man in the game the last few years running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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