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QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:35 PM)
He's 32...and a DH. I wouldn't say he's at the tail end of his career. And I really don't think he's mailing it in.

Really? Look at Garret Anderson. Dude had a great start to his career, WAS AN MVP CANDIDATE, led his team to a World Series title, and once he turned 32, his offense disappeared. Dunn isn't half the player that Anderson was, I'm afraid to see what happens in the next four years.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 01:41 AM)
Really? Look at Garret Anderson. Dude had a great start to his career, WAS AN MVP CANDIDATE, led his team to a World Series title, and once he turned 32, his offense disappeared. Dunn isn't half the player that Anderson was, I'm afraid to see what happens in the next four years.

Yup. Cannot believe people forgot about him. Man was the fricken' ALL STAR GAME MVP AND HOME RUN DERBY CHAMP in his last great year before hitting 32. Then look what happened...

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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:44 PM)
Yup. Cannot believe people forgot about him. Man was the fricken' ALL STAR GAME MVP AND HOME RUN DERBY CHAMP in his last great year before hitting 32. Then look what happened...

 

yep. Adam Dunn = Garrett Anderson

 

 

Oh yeah i forgot, they're completely different kinds of players and Anderson never matched Dunn's consistency. You guys have fun in your magical doom-and-gloom-land where every connection you make makes perfect sense. Cuz it don't to the rest of us.

 

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 09:41 PM)
Really? Look at Garret Anderson. Dude had a great start to his career, WAS AN MVP CANDIDATE, led his team to a World Series title, and once he turned 32, his offense disappeared. Dunn isn't half the player that Anderson was, I'm afraid to see what happens in the next four years.

 

Please tell me your kidding right?

 

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:48 PM)
When was the last time Dunn led his team to the playoffs, let alone a World Series title?

 

 

Don't worry, I'll wait.

Ok, ok, that was unfair.

 

How about the last time Dunn led his team to 82 wins?

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:48 PM)
When was the last time Dunn led his team to the playoffs, let alone a World Series title?

 

 

Don't worry, I'll wait.

:o

 

i didn't realize there was a stat called LTP, or Led Team to Playoffs! How awesome.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:53 PM)
Ok, ok, that was unfair.

 

How about the last time Dunn led his team to 82 wins?

listen.

 

This isn't about "led your team" to anything

 

do you think Dunn > Kotsay?

 

If so, it's a net win for us, end of story. We won 88 games last year, so if all stays even, and we add Dunn, that potentially to - dare I say - 90 wins.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:55 PM)
:o

 

i didn't realize there was a stat called LTP, or Led Team to Playoffs! How awesome.

Anyone that actually watches Dunn night in and out can show you the impact he's having on the team. And it's very clearly not a positive one.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 09:48 PM)
When was the last time Dunn led his team to the playoffs, let alone a World Series title?

 

 

Don't worry, I'll wait.

 

Dunn was playing on some horrible teams, One guy cannot simply lead a team into playoffs in the game of baseball. Your arguements just totally ignore players talent and just look at the teams overall success. Never has or will one player simply single handedly lead a team into the postseason in MLB. With your arguments then I guess we will just write off the great careers of players (who btw are Hall of Fame bound) like Carlos Delgado and Jim Thome just to name a few simply due to the fact they have never won a World Series.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:57 PM)
listen.

 

This isn't about "led your team" to anything

 

do you think Dunn > Kotsay?

 

If so, it's a net win for us, end of story. We won 88 games last year, so if all stays even, and we add Dunn, that potentially to - dare I say - 90 wins.

Clearly you haven't read a word I said.

QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 07:44 PM)
I mean, I know it's still early, but this is the type of production we're getting out of the DH spot? Sure it's better than Mark Kotsay, but that's not saying much.

 

Just because a player is better than Mark Kotsay means s***. It's like saying you're taller than the midget at the carnival. Big deal, so is everyone else.

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QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 09:57 PM)
listen.

 

This isn't about "led your team" to anything

 

do you think Dunn > Kotsay?

 

If so, it's a net win for us, end of story. We won 88 games last year, so if all stays even, and we add Dunn, that potentially to - dare I say - 90 wins.

 

Say it with confidence my friend .... this team can definitely win 90+ games with the addition of Dunn and having a healthy Peavy.

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QUOTE (kapzk @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 08:58 PM)
Dunn was playing on some horrible teams, One guy cannot simply lead a team into playoffs in the game of baseball. Your arguements just totally ignore players talent and just look at the teams overall success. Never has or will one player simply single handedly lead a team into the postseason in MLB. With your arguments then I guess we will just write off the great careers of players (who btw are Hall of Fame bound) like Carlos Delgado and Jim Thome just to name a few simply due to the fact they have never won a World Series.

One guy can't lead a team into the playoffs? What?

 

Joey Votto did exactly that last year for the Reds. He was that team, and made everyone around him better. With Dunn on the team, that simply would not have happened.

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QUOTE (kapzk @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 09:00 PM)
Say it with confidence my friend .... this team can definitely win 90+ games with the addition of Dunn and having a healthy Peavy.

Can we bring Frank Thomas back from the grave too? Hell, let's sign Barry Bonds while we're at it. Isn't he still a FA?

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 10:02 PM)
Can we bring Frank Thomas back from the grave too? Hell, let's sign Barry Bonds while we're at it. Isn't he still a FA?

 

And why do you think the team won't win 90 games? I know there's the concern of the bullpen but I am confident things will get ironed. But wat is u reason to believe the team will not win 90 games.

 

And your counter argument has no relevance to what i said.

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QUOTE (kapzk @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 09:04 PM)
And why do you think the team won't win 90 games? I know there's the concern of the bullpen but I am confident things will get ironed. But wat is u reason to believe the team will not win 90 games.

That was more about a healthy Peavy than anything. Isn't it obvious that we aren't going to get that? KW was fleeced. It happens. Let's move on and hope for a brighter tomorrow.

 

And a brighter tomorrow can only be a roster without Dunn.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Apr 15, 2011 -> 09:01 PM)
One guy can't lead a team into the playoffs? What?

 

Joey Votto did exactly that last year for the Reds. He was that team, and made everyone around him better. With Dunn on the team, that simply would not have happened.

Well, that's rather preposterous.

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