elrockinMT Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I think we can still win this thing considering we have 148 more game to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 10:30 PM) I think we can still win this thing considering we have 148 more game to go pretty much. I'm worried about the s***ty bullpen. Their record? Not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 If Humber looks serviceable as a No. 5, why don't we make Jackson the closer? He has nasty nasty stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 greg, you know you're my guy. But WTF? Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 11:29 PM) If Humber looks serviceable as a No. 5, why don't we make Jackson the closer? He has nasty nasty stuff. First of all, I think it's dangerous to trust Humber for a whole season. Secondly, I actually had the same thought, but was thinking Peavy as the closer. He's got the stuff, and with his injury history it might help him to only pitch a few innings a week. But then again, I can't agree with paying a reliever (not named Rivera) over $15 million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 11:50 PM) First of all, I think it's dangerous to trust Humber for a whole season. Secondly, I actually had the same thought, but was thinking Peavy as the closer. He's got the stuff, and with his injury history it might help him to only pitch a few innings a week. But then again, I can't agree with paying a reliever (not named Rivera) over $15 million a year. Wait, you too? I will personally tell any mod to ban me if they went that route. I would go Columbine crazy if that were to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 11:50 PM) First of all, I think it's dangerous to trust Humber for a whole season. Secondly, I actually had the same thought, but was thinking Peavy as the closer. He's got the stuff, and with his injury history it might help him to only pitch a few innings a week. But then again, I can't agree with paying a reliever (not named Rivera) over $15 million a year. I'm not saying you should/shouldn't make Peavy the closer, but if you are playing him 15 mil no matter what he does, you might as well do what's best for the team. Once the checks are signed, it doesn't matter what role a guy has or if he plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 11:58 PM) Wait, you too? I will personally tell any mod to ban me if they went that route. I would go Columbine crazy if that were to occur. It may be the vodka talking, but if it doesn't get better in the bullpen I think it's an idea. If Peavy can't stay healthy in the rotation, maybe a few innings a week as closer will keep him pitching all year. Like I said, I don't suggest it right now, but I could see it if the Santos thing doesn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 12:01 AM) I'm not saying you should/shouldn't make Peavy the closer, but if you are playing him 15 mil no matter what he does, you might as well do what's best for the team. Once the checks are signed, it doesn't matter what role a guy has or if he plays. That's very true. It would suck to pay a reliever that much, but you already bought the contract, so whats the difference. Make it work for your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 12:06 AM) It may be the vodka talking, but if it doesn't get better in the bullpen I think it's an idea. If Peavy can't stay healthy in the rotation, maybe a few innings a week as closer will keep him pitching all year. Like I said, I don't suggest it right now, but I could see it if the Santos thing doesn't work out. R u implying that im an alcoholic? If u r? Well, your right. But I am fare. And that would be too much for me to digess. I would jus ask kalapse to ban me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 12:16 AM) R u implying that im an alcoholic? If u r? Well, your right. But I am fare. And that would be too much for me to digess. I would jus ask kalapse to ban me. Actually, I was referring to the vodka I have been drinking. I think our bullpen is too good to not turn this around, but if they can't, Peavy as a closer could be an option, well at least, better than EJax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 12:06 AM) It may be the vodka talking, but if it doesn't get better in the bullpen I think it's an idea. If Peavy can't stay healthy in the rotation, maybe a few innings a week as closer will keep him pitching all year. Like I said, I don't suggest it right now, but I could see it if the Santos thing doesn't work out. I had this very thought yesterday. It would give him a chance to rebuild his arm strength and solidfy the bullpen. I'm not endorsing this but it could be an option. A comparable example would be John Smoltz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 While we're venting, would someone explain to me what is good about Rios' approach at the plate? I've always thought that it's amazing that he ever hits with his mechanics. Do any of you see anything positive about his mechanics? He holds his hands in front of his stomach until the last instant. His crouch is very awkward looking, and his lead foot tapping just makes him way to "busy". Alex needs to have a lot of moving parts be perfectly in sink and timed just right to ever have success with that approach. I can't see how his head can be sufficiently "quiet" with all of those moving parts to his swing. If I were trying to give myself the best chance for success, I'd look at an approach like Konerko's and I'd try to use it as a model of perfection. Now that is a thing of beauty, isn't it? At least when he doesn't have success, you don't have the impression that it was because of his mechanics. Hitting is funny that way. It's one of the few sports activities in which so many different fundamental approaches are acceptable. You can imagine how frustrating it would be for a hitting coach to refrain from trying to get Rios to change his mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 11:32 PM) greg, you know you're my guy. But WTF? Lol. IIRC that was a consideration when we talked about acquiring Jackson from LA years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 What do Rios, Peavy, and Dunn have in common? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 10:35 AM) What do Rios, Peavy, and Dunn have in common? They're all way overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (Lillian @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) They're all way overpaid. I should have put Eddie in that same group. Same answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 11:35 AM) What do Rios, Peavy, and Dunn have in common? They all play baseball for the Chicago White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) What do Rios, Peavy, and Dunn have in common? They all have a vowel in their names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 02:58 PM) They all have a vowel in their names? The vowel in each of their first names is "A". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 08:51 AM) The thing I hate most about Ozzie is his inability or refusal to learn. We see the team fail miserably over and over at the things you mentioned, but he continues to give up outs by having them continue to do those things. It's like we play each game with 24 outs to work with instead of 27 right from the get-go. Just going through the thread, and this is also my exact frustration. I don't mind the strategy of bunting occasionally, and in game situations, but to ask players to bunt who aren't good at it is simply terrible managing. Either he assumes (quite wrongly) that a bunt will always get the runner over and rarely fails, or he's "showing up" his player, forcing him to work on it, in his mind, when in fact he should know that players make money for a lot of particular skills, but bunting isn't one of them. Ozzie, plainly managed am awful game again Friday night. What's the point of having an 80% base stealeron first base in the game situation, and not allowing either you're formerly hot hitter to swing the bat, or the best base-stealer to steal? That was a momentum killer as much as the lousy bullpen. I'm not surprised we were swept. Time to turn it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 11:31 PM) Just going through the thread, and this is also my exact frustration. I don't mind the strategy of bunting occasionally, and in game situations, but to ask players to bunt who aren't good at it is simply terrible managing. Either he assumes (quite wrongly) that a bunt will always get the runner over and rarely fails, or he's "showing up" his player, forcing him to work on it, in his mind, when in fact he should know that players make money for a lot of particular skills, but bunting isn't one of them. Ozzie, plainly managed am awful game again Friday night. What's the point of having an 80% base stealeron first base in the game situation, and not allowing either you're formerly hot hitter to swing the bat, or the best base-stealer to steal? That was a momentum killer as much as the lousy bullpen. I'm not surprised we were swept. Time to turn it around. Who is "good" at bunting on our team? I've seen AJ lay them down and also fail. Shouldn't Beckham be able to bunt? Is he always as bad as yesterday? I do agree we should just hit and run or steal because it seems to me the Sox players fail to get the runner over the majority of time when asked. I wonder what ELIAS would say? I'd like to see the percentage of times the past two seasons we've tried to bunt a guy over and either made out or the batter had to swing with two strikes after failing to get the bunt down twice. Edited April 18, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) The problem isn't that the Sox can't bunt, it's that Guillen puts the bunter in an almost impossible situation. Example: Guillen loves to bunt with runners on 1st & 2nd w/0 out and the lower part of the order up. Most of the time the lead runner is either Quentin or AJ/Castro easy pickings for a force with the first baseman charging. It drives me nuts. Edited April 18, 2011 by Marty34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 16, 2011 -> 11:50 PM) First of all, I think it's dangerous to trust Humber for a whole season. Secondly, I actually had the same thought, but was thinking Peavy as the closer. He's got the stuff, and with his injury history it might help him to only pitch a few innings a week. But then again, I can't agree with paying a reliever (not named Rivera) over $15 million a year. It would be better to pay him to be a reliever than to keep paying him to sit on the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 QUOTE (The Gooch @ Apr 17, 2011 -> 11:15 PM) It would be better to pay him to be a reliever than to keep paying him to sit on the DL. If he had proven that he absolutely could not stay healthy starting, or constantly dealt with lingering issues when starting games consistently, then I'd agree. He hasn't started a game this year and has been injured only once as a starting pitcher for the Chicago White Sox (I don't count a setback that they knew was going to happen as an injury). So yes, if come August he can't stay healthy starting games, then I'd say use him out of the bullpen for the rest of the year. You have to try and get the most value of him as possible, and that begins with using him in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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