Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 09:28 PM) Hey look, another quality start for Hudson. 3.58 ERA. He may be looking at an all-star appearance. Doubtful. Thing I've always argued is that Hudson doesn't have to be great. If he could be slightly above league average at his salary, that's a win. Anything more is a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 23, 2011 -> 10:28 PM) Hey look, another quality start for Hudson. 3.58 ERA. He may be looking at an all-star appearance. Justin Upton would like to remind you that the D-Backs have their guaranteed spot on the roster already filled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 08:05 AM) Justin Upton would like to remind you that the D-Backs have their guaranteed spot on the roster already filled. I would like to remind you the Diamondbacks are in 1st place, the all-star game is in Phoenix, and Hudson has 9 wins. Now, while agree that win totals for starting pitchers has been reduced to almost pointlessness, I'll throw in he has 12 quality starts out of 16 starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:18 AM) I would like to remind you the Diamondbacks are in 1st place, the all-star game is in Phoenix, and Hudson has 9 wins. Now, while agree that win totals for starting pitchers has been reduced to almost pointlessness, I'll throw in he has 12 quality starts out of 16 starts. Hudson also has the #26 ERA in the NL among starters. There are 7 starters in the NL who have 8+ wins and an ERA under 3. Hell, Hudson's teammate, Ian Kennedy, has 8 wins, 2 losses, and a 2.91 ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 08:18 AM) I would like to remind you the Diamondbacks are in 1st place, the all-star game is in Phoenix, and Hudson has 9 wins. Now, while agree that win totals for starting pitchers has been reduced to almost pointlessness, I'll throw in he has 12 quality starts out of 16 starts. He's not even the best starter on the D'Backs this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 I said "may" be looking at an all-star appearance. If he has two more great starts, and is 11-5 with an ERA around 3.30, then he could be an all-star. The thought that the Diamondbacks have their obligatory all-star in Upton, and nobody else can make it, is a little premature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 09:27 AM) I said "may" be looking at an all-star appearance. If he has two more great starts, and is 11-5 with an ERA around 3.30, then he could be an all-star. The thought that the Diamondbacks have their obligatory all-star in Upton, and nobody else can make it, is a little premature. Not what I meant. Hudson would be an all-star if the D-Backs had no one who was better. Hudson's numbers are not and will not be good enough for an all-star bid even if he throws 2 straight shutouts. His numbers might have put him there if the D-Backs had no one else who is better. They have several guys who are more deserving all-stars than Hudson, meaning that Hudson needs to get there on the strength of his numbers. His numbers aren't that strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 Who cares if he is an all star or not quite fringe all star. His numbers are excellent, he is pitching extremely well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Another quality start last night vs Cleveland. 8-5, 3.49 ERA 13 quality starts out of 17. Holmberg has a 34 inning scoreless streak. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/ar...;vkey=news_milb Great trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) Another quality start last night vs Cleveland. 8-5, 3.49 ERA 13 quality starts out of 17. Holmberg has a 34 inning scoreless streak. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/ar...;vkey=news_milb Who cares? We still have 3 months of Jackson. We clearly won that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 I'm so happy that this gets brought up after every good start! Otherwise, how would I, or anyone, know what people's opinions of this trade are??? I swear this topic never gets brought up or talked about enough here, so fortunately the constant bumping of this allows us to all remember it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) I'm so happy that this gets brought up after every good start! Otherwise, how would I, or anyone, know what people's opinions of this trade are??? I swear this topic never gets brought up or talked about enough here, so fortunately the constant bumping of this allows us to all remember it! Rather than b****ing about what other people post you could just avoid this thread which is clearly about Hudson and the Hudson/Jackson trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) Rather than b****ing about what other people post you could just avoid this thread which is clearly about Hudson and the Hudson/Jackson trade. I don't know what you're talking about. I was just saying how glad I was that people track this stuff like they do. We don't have enough of that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 As much as this topic annoys me, it's still kind of funny how badly it's gone so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 29, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) As much as this topic annoys me, it's still kind of funny how badly it's gone so far. And that despite how amazing Jackson was for the sox last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Hudson is actually 8th overall in pitcher WAR. Ahead of the likes of David Price, Felix Hernandez and Timothy Lincecum. Think it's safe to say the guy is legit and there was a gross miscalculation of his abilities by our people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 30, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) Hudson is actually 8th overall in pitcher WAR. Ahead of the likes of David Price, Felix Hernandez and Timothy Lincecum. Think it's safe to say the guy is legit and there was a gross miscalculation of his abilities by our people. And by Keith Law. I saw Hudson as a #2 or #3 starter. I loved his change-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 at Milly-Walk-A: 4 innings, 8 hits, 6 runs, 5 er, 1 bb, 3 k, 2 homers including a grand slam by Shawn Marcum. Off the hook for the loss, and his ERA went up to 3.75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 4, 2011 -> 06:11 PM) at Milly-Walk-A: 4 innings, 8 hits, 6 runs, 5 er, 1 bb, 3 k, 2 homers including a grand slam by Shawn Marcum. Off the hook for the loss, and his ERA went up to 3.75. KW says f*** you to all Sox fans after this start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Hudson has now played a season's worth of games with the Diamondbacks. Let's review how he did! 32 starts--team record 21-11 25 quality starts--yes, 25 17-7, 2.99 ERA 220 innings 192 hits 47 bb 179 K 1.086 WHIP He'll be under team control for 5 more years. Have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) Hudson has now played a season's worth of games with the Diamondbacks. Let's review how he did! 32 starts--team record 21-11 25 quality starts--yes, 25 17-7, 2.99 ERA 220 innings 192 hits 47 bb 179 K 1.086 WHIP He'll be under team control for 5 more years. Have a nice day. The best stats there is the fact that he rarely walks people and gets a fair number of strikeouts. The walks indicate that his minor league numbers were no mirage and he really does have good control and the K's show that he really does have swing and miss stuff (which I saw in that short run he had with the Sox). All around fail on our coaching staff/scouts for undervaluing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) Hudson has now played a season's worth of games with the Diamondbacks. Let's review how he did! 32 starts--team record 21-11 25 quality starts--yes, 25 17-7, 2.99 ERA 220 innings 192 hits 47 bb 179 K 1.086 WHIP He'll be under team control for 5 more years. Have a nice day. Ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 02:07 PM) Ouch He's so f***ing good, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) Hudson has now played a season's worth of games with the Diamondbacks. Let's review how he did! 32 starts--team record 21-11 25 quality starts--yes, 25 17-7, 2.99 ERA 220 innings 192 hits 47 bb 179 K 1.086 WHIP He'll be under team control for 5 more years. Have a nice day. What are you implying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) Hudson has now played a season's worth of games with the Diamondbacks. Let's review how he did! 32 starts--team record 21-11 25 quality starts--yes, 25 17-7, 2.99 ERA 220 innings 192 hits 47 bb 179 K 1.086 WHIP He'll be under team control for 5 more years. Have a nice day. I wish we played in the National League too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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