Dick Allen Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 11:42 PM) Hudson with a CG win. *cue the it doesn't count because it came against the Padres comments* Isn't Zach Stewart now the prize for Hudson? He looked good his last outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 09:11 AM) Isn't Zach Stewart now the prize for Hudson? He looked good his last outing. We'll need about two dozen more of those before the immovable stench of the Hudson/Jackson trade is disposed of. Edited September 10, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 10:25 AM) We'll need about two dozen more of those before the immovable stench of the Hudson/Jackson trade is disposed of. It doesn't help that Hudson is looking more and more like a young Halladay everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) It doesn't help that Hudson is looking more and more like a young Halladay everyday. Ok, as a person who hated the Hudson trade...that's pushing it. A lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 He's turned into Bruce Chen when he faces the Sox. Nearly unbeatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) He's turned into Bruce Chen when he faces the Sox. Nearly unbeatable. Has he faced the Sox more htan once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:46 AM) It doesn't help that Hudson is looking more and more like a young Halladay everyday. I wouldn't go that far. But the guy is obviously legit. It really is amazing how stunningly fast that organization has turned around. Call it skill or luck or a combination of both. But in that time frame, they've added their #1 and #2 starters for this year's playoffs, fixed a bullpen that was record-breaking bad in '10 overnight, while at the same time restocking a farm system (Tyler Skaggs, Patrick Corbin, David Holmberg) that now features arguably the deepest collection of legitimate pitching prospects in baseball. Take some f***ing notes, Kenny. Edited September 10, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) I wouldn't go that far. But the guy is obviously legit. It really is amazing had stunningly fast that organization has turned around. Call it skill or luck or a combination of both. But in that time frame, they've added their #1 and #2 starters for this year's playoffs, fixed a bullpen that was record-breaking bad in '10 overnight, while at the same time restocking a farm system (Tyler Skaggs, Patrick Corbin, David Holmberg) that now features arguably the deepest collection of legitimate pitching prospects in baseball. Take some f***ing notes, Kenny. It he were a hitter, Greg Walker would be the issue. How come no issue with Cooper? He clearly didn't perform very well for the White Sox last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) It he were a hitter, Greg Walker would be the issue. How come no issue with Cooper? He clearly didn't perform very well for the White Sox last year. Because he got a whopping 3 games worth of chances. If you watched him, you could actually see that the kid had good stuff, but he was clearly doing what a lot of rookies try to do...he was trying to spot the ball ont he corner on every pitch. He was trying to make every pitch perfect instead of letting hitters get themselves out. There was good velocity, good movement, good control, but he was walking a lot more people than he did in AAA, because it's really hard to throw a perfect pitch every time, and when you're walking people and falling behind, suddenly you have to make a perfect pitch. It takes rookie pitchers a while to get to the stage where they just come out and trust what they're doing. We dumped him without giving him a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 05:27 PM) Because he got a whopping 3 games worth of chances. If you watched him, you could actually see that the kid had good stuff, but he was clearly doing what a lot of rookies try to do...he was trying to spot the ball ont he corner on every pitch. He was trying to make every pitch perfect instead of letting hitters get themselves out. There was good velocity, good movement, good control, but he was walking a lot more people than he did in AAA, because it's really hard to throw a perfect pitch every time, and when you're walking people and falling behind, suddenly you have to make a perfect pitch. It takes rookie pitchers a while to get to the stage where they just come out and trust what they're doing. We dumped him without giving him a chance. People forget that one of those three starts was dominating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 11:42 PM) Hudson with a CG win. *cue the it doesn't count because it came against the Padres comments* Wins are only suppose to be meaningless when it comes to "ace John Danks". I watched that game last night until the 6th. They faced a rookie with a great curve ball. The DBs aren't exactly a offensive juggernaut either. Hudsons been doing pretty good at the plate for a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) It he were a hitter, Greg Walker would be the issue. How come no issue with Cooper? He clearly didn't perform very well for the White Sox last year. Then you have to give the White Sox/Cooper credit for (the opposite of Hudson) being patient with Humber....whereas the Mets, Twins and Royals clearly were not, as I think he only had 3-4 starts combined amongst those three teams before we pilfered him from the A's roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:51 AM) Ok, as a person who hated the Hudson trade...that's pushing it. A lot. I think he has that potential, he has to live up to it of course over a long period of time. I'm still concerned that Hudson may have elbow issues in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 11, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) I think he has that potential, he has to live up to it of course over a long period of time. I'm still concerned that Hudson may have elbow issues in the near future. He clearly has the potential to be a solid player...but Roy Halladay is a hall of fame pitcher. That, IMO, makes the comparison almost useless...because even 99% of the people with Roy Halladay's "Potential" don't wind up as hall of famers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 11, 2011 -> 12:26 PM) He clearly has the potential to be a solid player...but Roy Halladay is a hall of fame pitcher. That, IMO, makes the comparison almost useless...because even 99% of the people with Roy Halladay's "Potential" don't wind up as hall of famers. I know, but I think he is capable of being that good. I'll stand by my comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Hudson vs Marcum, Sunday at 3:37, Miller Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) Hudson vs Marcum, Sunday at 3:37, Miller Park Let's Go Brew Crew!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 5.1 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, Halladay-esque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 06:19 PM) 5.1 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, Halladay-esque. lol. Who the hell ever compared him to Halladay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 06:21 PM) lol. Who the hell ever compared him to Halladay? QUOTE (JPN366 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:46 AM) It doesn't help that Hudson is looking more and more like a young Halladay everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 And LH just owned J4L. I totally forgot about that. Damn you, JPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 06:24 PM) And LH just owned J4L. I totally forgot about that. Damn you, JPN. I'll give LH that (it was a bad comparison), but jumping on a guy who just pitched his first ever playoff game is way too harsh. Not every young pitcher can be Matt Moore. Edited October 3, 2011 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 05:07 AM) I'll give LH that (it was a bad comparison), but jumping on a guy who just pitched his first ever playoff game is way too harsh. Not every young pitcher can be Matt Moore. Saying "Daniel Hudson is not Roy Halladay" ≠ jumping on Daniel Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I knew this thread would be bumped in record time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 09:51 AM) I knew this thread would be bumped in record time. At least IMO, "He's no Roy Halladay" really isn't a harsh criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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