False Alarm Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 i love any thread that has karko's throat skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (T R U @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 02:32 AM) So if its too early to judge Daniel Hudson on his 33-35 starts, how come you are flying off the handle about our 7 game losing streak into a 162 game season? Is it not pretty much the same thing? Thread winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (False Alarm @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) i love any thread that has karko's throat skin. If I could only get a hold of some stem cells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) If I could only get a hold of some stem cells. I bet you could take them from his throat pretty easily without him knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:08 AM) I bet you could take them from his throat pretty easily without him knowing. I'm frightened by what you may be insinuating there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 last year we evaluated hudson based off 3-4 starts too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 I guess we should never have traded Danks for McCarthy, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 08:53 AM) Just because Danks didn't sign the extension doesn't mean he wont. He's simply betting that he can get more money, and I don't really blame him. Ultimately I think he signs if the Sox pony up for 5 years which in this particular case I have no problem with. He has shown he can stay healthy and I think he has been the best pitcher on the team the past 3 years. How do you "think" something that is a fact? Danks HAS been the best starter, and there is no question. Although now that I've said that, I'm sure Balta or someone who loves to argue will try to refute it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) How do you "think" something that is a fact? Danks HAS been the best starter, and there is no question. Although now that I've said that, I'm sure Balta or someone who loves to argue will try to refute it Who would I argue on our roster has been better than D1? Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Oh, the joys of SoxTalk when the team has a s***ty week...we get to see threads like this. I don't give a damn either way, we have Jackson now, I think he has done quite well overall, and if he does well enough this year, we'll be compensated for it either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) last year we evaluated hudson based off 3-4 starts too. You are always good for a concise and apt statement in a very argumentative thread. It's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:08 AM) Who would I argue on our roster has been better than D1? Jackson? I don't even mean it as an insult. Guys like you and Badger just love to argue and play the devil's advocate. So when I made a definitive statement such as Danks has unquestionably been the best starter, I almost expect a rebuttal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) How do you "think" something that is a fact? Danks HAS been the best starter, and there is no question. Although now that I've said that, I'm sure Balta or someone who loves to argue will try to refute it But just because he's been the best starter since 2008 doesn't mean he's worth $75 million for 5 years, either. Now you can argue that Buehrle wasn't worth his last contract either, but that's a little bit difference circumstance based on what he did for the organization prior to that....his popularity and longevity and identification with the Sox. I don't think Danks comes close to 50% of Buehrle's or Konerko's popularity, especially in terms of the personal relationship with JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 i dont think player popularity plays into this contract as much as you do. The question that KW and JR will be asking is whether 5/75M is fair value for Danks, and are they willing to pay it and possibly(probably) lose Buehrle in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:25 AM) But just because he's been the best starter since 2008 doesn't mean he's worth $75 million for 5 years, either. Now you can argue that Buehrle wasn't worth his last contract either, but that's a little bit difference circumstance based on what he did for the organization prior to that....his popularity and longevity and identification with the Sox. I don't think Danks comes close to 50% of Buehrle's or Konerko's popularity, especially in terms of the personal relationship with JR. He's not worth 5/75. He's worth a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) He's not worth 5/75. He's worth a lot more. Right now, 5/$75 would be a fair extension for him, because he still has 1.75 years before FA. Open market he's worth a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) Right now, 5/$75 would be a fair extension for him, because he still has 1.75 years before FA. Open market he's worth a lot more. The years are short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 (edited) On the open market, Danks is undoubtedly worth more. Does anyone really believe that JR will give a $100 million dollar contract to a non-superstar pitcher for five years or more? Let's say we're talking a contract somewhere in the vicinity of the Braun deal that was recently announced. Barring some type of incredible 2005/2006 run, I just don't see the cost/benefit analysis on that one ending up in favor of Danks sticking around with the Sox. He just happens to be the most important trade chip in any rebuilding effort. Hopefully they don't go that direction, and there's certainly logic to retaining Danks if Buehrle is actually planning to leave the Sox or retire. It always comes back to Peavy. If he's healthy enough, then you have three starters (Floyd/Danks/Peavy) and theoretically Sale. But to rebuild an entire rotation around Floyd and Sale, that's a huge non-starter in terms of "patching" on the go or "reloading" and finally points to rebuilding. (That is, unless there's a big offset in insurance for Peavy not pitching for the major league team for the remainder of his contract.) Edited April 22, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 He won't give the contract, which is why I believe John is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) He won't give the contract, which is why I believe John is gone. Jesus Montero! Make it happen, KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Does signing Mark to an extension help us retain Danks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) Jesus Montero! Make it happen, KW! Not happening. QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:35 AM) Does signing Mark to an extension help us retain Danks? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) Does signing Mark to an extension help us retain Danks? Not unless Mark takes a pretty big paycut to stay here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 11:09 AM) I'm frightened by what you may be insinuating there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 22, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Not happening. As in the Yankees would never trade Montero? I don't think anybody in their system is off limits with their starting pitching situation. Nothing will happen this year (unless the Sox really stink up the joint). If KW could get Montero and one of Betances/Banuelos (and I would accept no less for a pitcher of Danks' caliber), I'd praise him like I do Cargo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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