What would you do if you ran the White Sox?

[hi8is]

This is just a great place (most of the time) to talk about the Sox, but some people make it unbearable.. Maybe those will be the ones who are gone!

One can hope

[Big Hurtin]

So? I don't care about this site, I care about whats on the field..

 

You can't see the correlation between the two?

[T R U]

You can't see the correlation between the two?

 

No, not really.. 80% of the posts/threads in Pale Hose Talk are irrational overreactions.. That's not "good" discussion nor makes this site any better

 

You said this site would have tumbleweeds in it if they were still awful in July, I look at that more like all those irrational people aren't going to be around much which, hence, leads to better discussion..

[South Side Fireworks Man]

First thing would be to try to dump Pierre and Teahen's contracts in any way possible and replace them on the roster with Viciedo and De Aza.

 

At the same time I'd be trying to line up a good manager to replace Guillen.

[greg775]

I'd hope I could find some rational thoughts on what's become a really reactive and irrational message board that sometimes shows signs of being an intelligent grouping of baseball knowledge. Then I'd realize that if there's a rough stretch, everyone wants someone fired, just so the team can keep doing the same thing, with a different over-paid, face in the locker room.

 

I don't think it's so irrational.

Most of us have never called for changes in the past.

There's a difference between wanting somebody fired every season, or finally getting fed up with the dysfunctional play.

This team is going to lose 3 or 4 in NY and look at what our record will be. Same ol pattern of not being able to beat Central teams as well, is continuing..

I mean ... s***.

Edited April 25, 2011 by greg775

[Quin]

I don't think it's so irrational.

Most of us have never called for changes in the past.

There's a difference between wanting somebody fired every season, or finally getting fed up with the dysfunctional play.

This team is going to lose 3 or 4 in NY and look at what our record will be. Same ol pattern of not being able to beat Central teams as well, is continuing..

I mean ... s***.

 

 

[witesoxfan]

At the same time I'd be trying to line up a good manager to replace Guillen.

 

Who? Who is going to succeed Guillen? Initially they'd bring in Cora on an interim basis and then who knows who they bring in.

 

The only guy I can ever think of that got fired midseason and the team went on to succeed was Torborg in 2003 being replaced by McKeon. 1 time out of the hundreds of others doesn't seem to be good, especially when it's a veteran ballclub like this.

 

If s*** doesn't work this year, you make wholesale changes next year. Seems simple enough to me.

[soxrwhite]

This team needs leadrship. Ozzie is capapble of throwing anyone under the bus at any time. Since his obcenity filled tirade where he said he had "no closer I've tried everyone" (deflecting the blame on the players) this team has sucked. A change in the dugout could unite a talented bunch. Not to mention tighten up some of the silly moves Ozzie makes. I will forever be grateful for 2005 but this ship is off course.

[oldsox]

I am not the type of fan who gets his nose out of joint because of a six game losing streak, but this franchise has done a U turn in the last couple of years that defies intelligent thought. It's going to be a tough road to reverse it, but some sort of shake up is required, Kenny. The moves of acquiring Rios, Peavy, and Dunn collectively are killers. The other bad moves are just window dressing. I don't know how Kenny survives, nor do I understand how the Chicago Press doesn't hang him out to dry. I'll be pulling for a win in NY, but I don't expect anything positive. That's my rant. No more negative posts from me.

[greg775]

Tell me about it. I have premium club levels I couldn't sell for $10 on Stubhub last weekend. I'll never go that low again.

 

 

I am not the type of fan who gets his nose out of joint because of a six game losing streak, but this franchise has done a U turn in the last couple of years that defies intelligent thought. It's going to be a tough road to reverse it, but some sort of shake up is required, Kenny. The moves of acquiring Rios, Peavy, and Dunn collectively are killers. The other bad moves are just window dressing. I don't know how Kenny survives, nor do I understand how the Chicago Press doesn't hang him out to dry. I'll be pulling for a win in NY, but I don't expect anything positive. That's my rant. No more negative posts from me.

 

Man, how much do those tickets normally go for?

 

Six game losing streak? How bout 10 of 11 with more heartbreak coming in NY?

[Knackattack]

Honestly, the fire Ozzie, fire Walker, fire Cooper, get rid of this player, that player etc. is going to happen anytime the team f***s up. I think what I've seen a lot more of now than before is people going after Kenny, which I totally agree with. This team is simply not that good and our payroll is like 120million. Bulls***.

[witesoxfan]

This team needs leadrship. Ozzie is capapble of throwing anyone under the bus at any time. Since his obcenity filled tirade where he said he had "no closer I've tried everyone" (deflecting the blame on the players) this team has sucked. A change in the dugout could unite a talented bunch. Not to mention tighten up some of the silly moves Ozzie makes. I will forever be grateful for 2005 but this ship is off course.

 

How is saying "I have no closer" when his team had blown 4 3-run save opportunities deflecting blame onto his players? If anything, it IS their fault. Should they not be held accountable?

 

Personally, I'd love a job where I made anywhere from 200-600% more than my operating manager, I was guaranteed that salary, barring something ridiculous, and then I was given credit for my success while my manager was blamed for my failures. That seems like the easiest job in the world.

 

 

[nitetrain8601]

Sell'em and buy the Dodgers.

[flippedoutpunk]

trade away everyone, lower ticket prices by %50 and have a "The kids can play" campaign and offer free parking and beer for the first 10k fans. Then id find a way to escape my straight jacket.

[shago]

Who? Who is going to succeed Guillen? Initially they'd bring in Cora on an interim basis and then who knows who they bring in.

 

The only guy I can ever think of that got fired midseason and the team went on to succeed was Torborg in 2003 being replaced by McKeon. 1 time out of the hundreds of others doesn't seem to be good, especially when it's a veteran ballclub like this.

 

If s*** doesn't work this year, you make wholesale changes next year. Seems simple enough to me.

We have been saying this for years ... Honestly, why not replace Ozzie at this point? It can't get any worse regardless of who they choose. Besides, why do the fans care about having a manager who the "players like playing for (so long as you don't ask any alumni)" or continuing to accept a manager who has led high talent / high payroll teams to success so rarely, especially in a relatively weak division? Bring in an a hole to shake-up the place to see if they can get something going to save this year, if not shop during the offseason for a new staff... Not showing-up or in the words of the Tigers broadcasters "not being there" is 100% Ozzie's fault. He should be fired alone for the ridiculously s#itty team he put on the field today. Why continue to back this guy when he has done nothing to justify his role in recent years and has done plenty to force people to question his judgement and management style? Just saying, it's broken, what do we have to lose by going in a new direction?

[Mr. Wedmesday]

Throw Ozzie under a real bus, with KW driving and all the players on board. Rinse and repeat with Greg Walker.

 

Spend whatever it takes to hire a no-BS manager who commands respect and demands maximum effort every day. (See the Bulls pre and post Thibodeau and the Blackhawks pre and post Quennville.) He doesn't need to be fun or interesting or a fan favorite, and he should be way too busy trying to win to spend time tweeting.

 

Ozzie lost the team a while ago and it's time for the team to lose Ozzie.

[TitoMB345]

Throw Ozzie under a real bus, with KW driving and all the players on board. Rinse and repeat with Greg Walker.

 

Spend whatever it takes to hire a no-BS manager who commands respect and demands maximum effort every day. (See the Bulls pre and post Thibodeau and the Blackhawks pre and post Quennville.) He doesn't need to be fun or interesting or a fan favorite, and he should be way too busy trying to win to spend time tweeting.

Ozzie lost the team a while ago and it's time for the team to lose Ozzie.

 

Let's be real. You can shoot out a tweet in under 20 seconds.

[oldsox]

In 2009 the Rockies were clearly an underachieving team. They fired Clint Hurdle, promoted Jim Tracy, and it was like a switch was turned on.

[BigSqwert]

No, not really.. 80% of the posts/threads in Pale Hose Talk are irrational overreactions..

Overreactions? We are a half game of out being in 30th out of 30 MLB teams.

[hogan873]

Overreactions? We are a half game of out being in 30th out of 30 MLB teams.

It's early, but it's not that early any more. Six games below .500 and losing games like the past three have been lost...things are ugly and will get much uglier this week. If the Sox take 2 of 4 it'll be a shock and an upset. A sweep by the Yankees should realistically trigger a firing or two, but we all know it won't happen...the firing, not the sweep.

[T R U]

Overreactions? We are a half game of out being in 30th out of 30 MLB teams.

 

Thank you for proving my point.

[Mr. Wedmesday]

Let's be real. You can shoot out a tweet in under 20 seconds.

 

 

True enough. My point is its time for a change, and tweeting etc is one of the reasons why. It's quick but it's distracting.

 

Guys like like Thibodeau, Quennville and Torre (i wish) are focused to the point of obsession on winning as a team and it seems to be effective. You hear very little about their family lives, hobbies, feuds, etc. No obscene rants, no very public personal issues-- just the job. Their players always know what's expected of them, what their roles are and that anything but maximum effort will get them benched or sent down.

 

Ozzie is a true character and he may not be the only reason the team appears unmotivated, unprepared, and whipped three weeks into the season but it's his job to make the most out of what he has to work with. And these guys are not nearly as bad as they've been playing. So coach 'em up or find someone who can.

[LVSoxFan]

Throw Ozzie under a real bus, with KW driving and all the players on board. Rinse and repeat with Greg Walker.

 

Spend whatever it takes to hire a no-BS manager who commands respect and demands maximum effort every day. (See the Bulls pre and post Thibodeau and the Blackhawks pre and post Quennville.) He doesn't need to be fun or interesting or a fan favorite, and he should be way too busy trying to win to spend time tweeting.

 

Ozzie lost the team a while ago and it's time for the team to lose Ozzie.

 

Sadly, I am finally at this point. I think Ozzie lost the team long ago. So yes, I would say: out he goes. Thanks for 2005, sincerely.

 

But think about it: how many coaches/managers go five years without a playoff win and survive?

 

Not sure who you replace him with but the Torre idea is fun to fantasize about.

[BigSqwert]

Thank you for proving my point.

The point that we are one of the worst teams in baseball?

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

In 2009 the Rockies were clearly an underachieving team. They fired Clint Hurdle, promoted Jim Tracy, and it was like a switch was turned on.

 

For every example of a team firing a manager during the season and then succeeding you can probably find 10 teams who started slow, stuck with their manager, and succeeded anyway.

 

The reason the team is losing games is because it isn't hitting like it should. That falls on the shoulder's of the guys with the bats, not Ozzie Guillen.