Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I was talking about Santos succeeding, go back and read the context. I wanted SANTOS TO SUCCEED thus I wanted him to have a 3 OUT NINTH. Jesus is that so hard to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 08:54 PM) And to repeat again... We have NO ONE who has been a closer before. ANYONE who you put into that situation is going to be new at it. Whether that is Matt, Serg, Jesse, or Will Ohman. Let's not overthink the situation...Ozzie is going to go with whomever looks like he can get outs right now. I'm sure he asked Sergio if he was cool with going out in the 9th, he said yo, you know it, and that was that. This wasn't about trying to protect this guy, or not hurt this guy's feelings...this was about trying to get a win no matter how it had to be done, for the team and secondly for Humber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Points up, that is what im worried about. Santos earned being the closer, quit f***ing around with it. Sale, Thornton had their shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 08:55 PM) No but Im not sure how people can just say Santos first save being a 4 out save in Yankee stadium was an amazing decision. If Santos is your closer you bring him in the 9th, and use match ups in the 8th. The 4 out save worked today, but that is not a strategy I want to see the rest of the season. Next thing its 5 outs then its 6, you just arent going to get away with that forever. Use match ups in the 7th and 8th, closer in the 9th. Im really not sure why what im saying is so groundbreaking, most teams always do this. You're just trying to justify your opinion because in the game thread you said there was no way Santos was coming back for the 9th. You were wrong. It happens to all of us. This is not worth getting all worked up about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:57 PM) ...this was about trying to get a win no matter how it had to be done, for the team and secondly for Humber. Ding, ding, ding....I get the feeling Guillen threw out everything he was thinking especially after they got the insurance run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 If Santos is your closer you bring him in the 9th, and use match ups in the 8th. Ok, but that IS pretty much what happened, but for one last out in the 8th, no? You are pissed that Santos was called for the last out in the 8th, then stayed and...you know...was a closer? I just don't get your beef...at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) No but Im not sure how people can just say Santos first save being a 4 out save in Yankee stadium was an amazing decision. If Santos is your closer you bring him in the 9th, and use match ups in the 8th. The 4 out save worked today, but that is not a strategy I want to see the rest of the season. Next thing its 5 outs then its 6, you just arent going to get away with that forever. Use match ups in the 7th and 8th, closer in the 9th. Im really not sure why what im saying is so groundbreaking, most teams always do this. Ozzie did use match ups in the 8th inning. I think that is what you are missing. Our pen has been horrible that year. Sure if someone else had been getting big outs on a regular basis this year, it would have been a different story. But that hasn't been happening. The match up that gave the Sox the best chance to win was Sergio Santos. Sure you don't want to do that all year long. No one WANTS that. But with the pen being horrible this year, there wasn't nearly as much of a choice as you want to present. The only other guy that has done anything this year has been Crain. Here's the thing. If Santos falters in the 9th, you still have Jesse Crain available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I dont care I was wrong, it worked out. Ill gladly be wrong every game thread for the rest of my life if the Sox win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) My beef is bringing in Santos in the 8th if he will close in the 9th. How is that hard to understand? (To make this extremely clear) I want Santos to be the closer, thus I want him to be treated like a closer and come in the 9th. I wanted his first attempt at closing to be an easy save so he didnt get screwed in the head about it. Its pretty damn simple, I love Santos he should be the closer. I was extremely worried Ozzie would use Thonrton so in the game thread I was prepping myself for it once Santos came in Edited April 26, 2011 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Getting a reliever a hitter in the 8th prior to the ninth is not a bad thing of making sure they are loose and have their stuff which Santos did. Mo has had plenty of 4-6 out saves. Edited April 26, 2011 by Harry Chappas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:00 PM) My beef is bringing in Santos in the 8th if he will close in the 9th. How is that hard to understand? How hard is this to understand... If someone comes in and serves it up in the 8th, there is no closing in the 9th. That is the whole focal point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Right. Youre not worried that Ozzie ahsnt realized that Santos is the closer? Thats the main thing im really concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I don't know, weird feeling with this team. I can't remember another Sox team that has wigged me out watching them as the 2011 team has the last 2 weeks. They have absolutely driven me crazy. However, one win tonight has made me feel a lot better, and that's simply because Tigers and Twins have scuffled out of the gate as well and Sox are close to both of them. If Sox can split this NYY series or get 3 out of 4 and come home within 3-4 games of both Tigers and Twins I will be thrilled. Trust me, I am not usually an optimistic person, but as horribly as they've played to be not buried by the two teams I expect them to go at it with for the year is amazing. Just a weird feeling I have with this team, and that has a lot to do with I don't see how they can possibly play this horrible for an extended stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I love the Sox talent. I just really am worried about the damn person in charge of that talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:03 PM) Right. Youre not worried that Ozzie ahsnt realized that Santos is the closer? Thats the main thing im really concerned about. I'm more worried about winning a game after we have lost 10 of 11 and had Kenny Williams fly to NYC to give a closed door meeting. I think Ozzie has realized that Serg is the closer, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been out there for the 9th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 My beef is bringing in Santos in the 8th if he will close in the 9th. How is that hard to understand? (To make this extremely clear) I want Santos to be the closer, thus I want him to be treated like a closer and come in the 9th. I wanted his first attempt at closing to be an easy save so he didnt get screwed in the head about it. Its pretty damn simple, I love Santos he should be the closer. I was extremely worried Ozzie would use Thonrton so in the game thread I was prepping myself for it once Santos came in So we agree? Fire Walker? LOL.... I certainly didn't get that from what you were saying, but I too wanted no parts of Thornton in this game and I was ALOT more clear about that than you! THUS - High-five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I dont think ozzie has any plan and hes completely flying by the seat of his pants, hoping for anything to work right now. For the first time ever I just really am done with him (and this was before tonights game), if the Sox need a shake up, its not Walker its Ozzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:00 PM) My beef is bringing in Santos in the 8th if he will close in the 9th. How is that hard to understand? (To make this extremely clear) I want Santos to be the closer, thus I want him to be treated like a closer and come in the 9th. I wanted his first attempt at closing to be an easy save so he didnt get screwed in the head about it. Its pretty damn simple, I love Santos he should be the closer. I was extremely worried Ozzie would use Thonrton so in the game thread I was prepping myself for it once Santos came in Badge, you don't know Sergio Santos. Ozzie does. So don't try to judge his mental state, or tell us what he can or cannot handle. I think Ozzie probably has a little better idea of what the kid is capable of than you. We all understand you would have preferred SS get handled a little more delicately for his first save opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Yeah Ozzie has done a great job handling this pen, I really want him in charge of what I consider to be a potentially devastating closer. (Note sarcasm) And if he knew so much, why did Ozzie let so many others fail before him? Seems to not make a lot of sense. Kind of like Ozzie has no idea what hes doing and is just randomly hoping for the best... (edit) And were on a message board, I obviously have less personal knowledge than any person who even works with the Sox. That doesnt mean I cant second guess them, thats why we have the internet. Edited April 26, 2011 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) I dont think ozzie has any plan and hes completely flying by the seat of his pants, hoping for anything to work right now. For the first time ever I just really am done with him (and this was before tonights game), if the Sox need a shake up, its not Walker its Ozzie. He has two guys in his pen that have consistently gotten outs for him this year. I'm not sure how exactly he is supposed to count on guys to perform in an important game right now, but OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 Just got back - helluva game and it's so great to beat the yankees at home. their fans are such pricks. observations: obvs Humber was sick. Even after the hit to A-Rod maintained his composure and didn't crack. Helluva job for just your 6th ML start. Ozzie is a terrible bullpen manager. Taking out Sale? Retarded. Lucky it worked out but jesus... Beckham's close to getting it back - the two balls he hit were scorchers, especially the last one to right. Oh, and Yankees fans are pricks. (fortunately tho my bro was with me wearing his Mets hat so he got the worst of it. lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Because he entirely miss used this pen from the start, and sent it in a tail spin. He consistently puts players in positions to fail instead of making their lives easier. When you watch other managers use a pen its just night and day, and im tired of giving Ozzie a pass because he brings other qualities that got the Sox a WS in 2005. Hes really going to have to do something to change my mind at this point, because Ive given him a pass forever. Edited April 26, 2011 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:13 PM) Because he entirely miss used this pen from the start, and sent it in a tail spin. He consistently puts players in positions to fail instead of making their lives easier. When you watch other managers use a pen its just night and day, and im tired of giving Ozzie a pass because he brings other qualities that got the Sox a WS in 2005. Hes really going to have to do something to change my mind at this point, because Ive given him a pass forever. well the most frustrating thing with Ozzie since '05 is not putting people in positions to excel. I thought he did that very well in '05, but has completely failed at it since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) Yeah Ozzie has done a great job handling this pen, I really want him in charge of what I consider to be a potentially devastating closer. (Note sarcasm) And if he knew so much, why did Ozzie let so many others fail before him? Seems to not make a lot of sense. Kind of like Ozzie has no idea what hes doing and is just randomly hoping for the best... (edit) And were on a message board, I obviously have less personal knowledge than any person who even works with the Sox. That doesnt mean I cant second guess them, thats why we have the internet. 5 of his 7 relievers have been bad this year. That's why Santos was out there for 4 outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Because he entirely miss used this pen from the start, and sent it in a tail spin. He consistently puts players in positions to fail instead of making their lives easier. When you watch other managers use a pen its just night and day, and im tired of giving Ozzie a path because he brings other qualities that got the Sox a WS in 2005. Hes really going to have to do something to change my mind at this point, because Ive given him a pass forever. I love it when people on the sidelines are absolutely convinced that THEY are the ones that know what should have been done. No matter that they aren't in that clubhouse, they don't hear what the players say, they don't see anything that happens behind the scenes. I have absolutely no problem with people criticizing moves. But when it comes to players' mental state, I am very, very hesitant to criticize, because you just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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