Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 How did putting Santos in to face Chavez make sense? Sale v. Jones is just as good of a match up, and doesnt risk your closer throwing an extra what, 10-15 pitches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Santos was brought in to face Andruw Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 It's not like Santos threw 20 pitches in the 8th. Yeah, not sure what he's pissed about. I didn't want Sale pulled either when the action was happening, but once Sergio was in, I wanted him to stay and keep MT out. His WHIP is f***ing higher than anyone in baseball now, but he's freaking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) Santos was brought in to -face Andruw Jones make Girardi pinch hit for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 For those wanting Thornton, you might want to talk to the Cardinals about Ryan Franklin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Its not about how many pitches did Santos throw, its how many pitches did he potentially have to throw. If Santos is the closer, you cant risk that he does throw 20 pitches to get out of the inning and then you put in Thornton? Its just backwards logic, the Sox scoring in the 9th really helped out. But can you imagine how tight that game is if Granderson leads off with only a 1 run lead? I just dont like it, call me old fashioned. Or maybe Ozzie just considered this game a must win, I didnt consider that before, but I guess if he thought he had to win this game no matter what, than Sergio makes sense. But I just would prefer a different approach 90% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:08 PM) Its not about how many pitches did Santos throw, its how many pitches did he potentially have to throw. If Santos is the closer, you cant risk that he does throw 20 pitches to get out of the inning and then you put in Thornton? Its just backwards logic, the Sox scoring in the 9th really helped out. But can you imagine how tight that game is if Granderson leads off with only a 1 run lead? I just dont like it, call me old fashioned. Or maybe Ozzie just considered this game a must win, I didnt consider that before, but I guess if he thought he had to win this game no matter what, than Sergio makes sense. But I just would prefer a different approach 90% of the time. If Santos is your #1 reliever right now, you'd rather have him get the out with men on in the 8th. That was the worry at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 If Ozzie doesnt know that Girardie will pinch hit Chavez when he brings in the righty, fire Ozzie right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) If Ozzie doesnt know that Girardie will pinch hit Chavez when he brings in the righty, fire Ozzie right now. Which matchup would you rather have had, Jones vs. Sale or Santos vs. Chavez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I guess I just dont see what the long term plan here is. Is Thornton now useless? I dont know, we had a guy go 7 innings and needed our closer to get 4 outs. Thats a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Which matchup would you rather have had, Jones vs. Sale or Santos vs. Chavez? It's pretty clear that Jones is the much more feared hitter. We should know from experience. He could easily run into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Jones v. Sale or when Jones gets pinch hit, bring in crain, then he brings in Chavez, bring in Thornton for 1 batter, bring in Santos to close. I mean there are a million ways to get 1 out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 10:10 PM) I guess I just dont see what the long term plan here is. Is Thornton now useless? I dont know, we had a guy go 7 innings and needed our closer to get 4 outs. Thats a problem. Yes, it's absolutely a f***ing problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 08:09 PM) If Ozzie doesnt know that Girardie will pinch hit Chavez when he brings in the righty, fire Ozzie right now. Andruw Jones has a ton of power against lefties, that's the reason he was on the Sox last year and that's the reason the Yankees went after him in the offseason. Eric Chavez hasn't been a good hitter against anyone in a long time(despite what 19 at bats this year says), if you can use your number 1 reliever against Eric Chavez or a left handed pitcher(who has struggled at times this year) against Andruw Jones in a 1 run game, it's a freakin no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 We won fellas - and a 1-0 game, really pitched by a rook fill in, thanks to Jake! Let's be happy Ozzie didn't actually f*** this one up. Humber, Sale, and Serge - all fantastic tonight for a 2-0 win against a big hitting team in a bandbox. Not to mention we were losing at a 90% clip walking in here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 BUt why did we need our #1 reliever against Chavez? Why did we not have Crain and Thornton in the pen, so that if he puts in Jones, we put in a righty, if he takes out Jones, we put in a lefty? If Chavez is so bad, why did we waste Sergio on him? Id rather face Jones with a righty or Chavez with a lefty. Isnt that why Ozzie brought all these damn relievers, so that we can actually outmanage the other team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 26, 2011 -> 03:10 AM) Which matchup would you rather have had, Jones vs. Sale or Santos vs. Chavez? Sometims playing by the book ain't the way to go. I liked the move after thinking about how Andruw could hit the heck out of that ball. Amazing how we win a game and we still have folks being negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Some times its easier to get mad about a win than a loss. You cant always let results trick you. (Edit) Can anyone even name a time that Ive been called negative? Im one of the most positive posters, but it just was risky as hell. Edited April 26, 2011 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:16 PM) BUt why did we need our #1 reliever against Chavez? Why did we not have Crain and Thornton in the pen, so that if he puts in Jones, we put in a righty, if he takes out Jones, we put in a lefty? If Chavez is so bad, why did we waste Sergio on him? Id rather face Jones with a righty or Chavez with a lefty. Isnt that why Ozzie brought all these damn relievers, so that we can actually outmanage the other team? If Sergio is your closer, you can't be afraid to use him. Tonight is a great example of Ozzie's managerial term here. When the main guys in the pen aren't doing it, he throws someone else into the fire to see what they are made of. Honestly I sure as hell wouldn't have gone with Thornton, but I would have thought about Crain. But at the same time, I have no problem with letting Sergio prove that it is his job if he is really going to be the closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) Some times its easier to get mad about a win than a loss. You cant always let results trick you. (Edit) Can anyone even name a time that Ive been called negative? Im one of the most positive posters, but it just was risky as hell. I think it'd be way riskier to over manage like crazy and use 3 relievers(especially using a guy like Thornton who has struggled big time) for 4 outs in a 1 run game at the time, when you can just bring in a guy who has gotten anyone and everyone out this year and just let him shut the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) If Sergio had saved a few games Id be entirely in agreement. But Im pretty sure Sergio had never saved a game in his entire career, including minors. I really think he could be a great player, I would have hated to see him fail tonight because of this nonsense. Its just protecting a guy I hope to become a large part of the Sox. Edited April 26, 2011 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:25 PM) If Sergio had saved a few games Id be entirely in agreement. But Im pretty sure Sergio had never saved a game in his entire career, including minors. I really think he could be a great player, I would have hated to see him fail tonight because of this nonsense. Its just protecting a guy I hope to become a large part of the Sox. None of our pen is a proven closer. No one. Matt has been terrible this year. Right now you are trying to rebuild him, not risk him. I think it is a bigger risk to have Thornton fail than Santos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I think it'd be way riskier to over manage like crazy and use 3 relievers(especially using a guy like Thornton who has struggled big time) for 4 outs in a 1 run game at the time, when you can just bring in a guy who has gotten anyone and everyone out this year and just let him shut the door. And this is EXACTLY what I was afraid of too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 QUOTE (Andrew @ Apr 25, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) And this is EXACTLY what I was afraid of too... More than anything in a pen that has sucked this year, it sends the message that ozzie has no confidence in all of you, because you are only capable of getting an out or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Its not about Santos closing. Its about Santos pitching in the 8th. I would have been fine with Santos coming in during the 9th to try and nail it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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