fathom Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 It just seems like Ozzie's accepted the fact this team is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ May 1, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) It just seems like Ozzie's accepted the fact this team is awful. I think the entire team has given it a big "Ah, f*** it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Let me sum this thread up for everyone that hasn't read through it: Rabble Rabble this team isn't playing hard (but I can't prove it) rabble rabble. Question for the people that want Ozzie Fired: If he's the reason they're losing then why didn't they win the two games he was suspended? And further, what do you want him to do to make this team better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) Let me sum this thread up for everyone that hasn't read through it: Rabble Rabble this team isn't playing hard (but I can't prove it) rabble rabble. Question for the people that want Ozzie Fired: If he's the reason they're losing then why didn't they win the two games he was suspended? And further, what do you want him to do to make this team better? Let me sum up every post you've made for the last month: Anybody who is worried about this team is wrong. Open your eyes, man. A month is a long time. They didn't win because the guy who took his spot for those two games is just Ozzie Lite. Joey Cora is Ozzie Guillen if he didn't talk as much. What Ozzie can do to make this team better is to get himself fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) Let me sum this thread up for everyone that hasn't read through it: Rabble Rabble this team isn't playing hard (but I can't prove it) rabble rabble. Question for the people that want Ozzie Fired: If he's the reason they're losing then why didn't they win the two games he was suspended? And further, what do you want him to do to make this team better? How about stress fundamentals, and then bench players who aren't showing solid fundamentals (ie: Rios and Pierzynski). I can't remember the last time Ozzie benched someone for lackidasical play. These guys have never seen someone held accountable, so there's no pressure on them to shape up. As for making team better, it would be nice if Ozzie had an idea about how to use his players. Not letting Dunn face the sinker ball with bases loaded for the struggling Rios was just weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 There isn't a guy 25% better available right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Tex @ May 1, 2011 -> 10:40 PM) There isn't a guy 25% better available right now. You don't know that. You don't know if there's someone out there, like Cito Gaston, that will stress a different type of offensive philosophy and approach that will get this offense going again. No one knows how the team will perform with manager X, Y or Z...but the current manager's way of doing things is not working right now. Edited May 1, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 You are correct, it is impossible to know if someone would be 25% better. So, I would rather ride it out with Ozzie than gamble on someone else. Hell, it could be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) Let me sum this thread up for everyone that hasn't read through it: Rabble Rabble this team isn't playing hard (but I can't prove it) rabble rabble. Question for the people that want Ozzie Fired: If he's the reason they're losing then why didn't they win the two games he was suspended? And further, what do you want him to do to make this team better? I don't think Ozzie's in-game moves are the reason we are this terrible...and I don't think the majority of the people arguing for his dismissal really believe that either. It's a case of the general attitude and preparation of the team. As Hawk always says, "If there are no dominant personalities on a team, the team will take on the personality of its manager." Well, apparently that is not working out so well. And Ozzie being suspended for two games is not going to change that. Ozzie being permanently dismissed may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ May 1, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) You are correct, it is impossible to know if someone would be 25% better. So, I would rather ride it out with Ozzie than gamble on someone else. Hell, it could be worse. No, it really could not be worse. I don't want to hire some old retread though. We need some new blood. Let's call up Dave Martinez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ May 1, 2011 -> 09:46 PM) No, it really could not be worse. I don't want to hire some old retread though. We need some new blood. Let's call up Dave Martinez. I couldn't agree more with you on this whole post. This organization needs new blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 1, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) Let me sum up every post you've made for the last month: Anybody who is worried about this team is wrong. Open your eyes, man. A month is a long time. Look, yeah they're playing bad. But I just don't think this team will be bad all year. Further, I don't think the Indians are for real at all. Do you think the Twins are going to finish in last? Of course not. Do you really think Kansas City is a second place team? A correction is coming. I'm able to wait patiently because I know it's a damn baseball season. I WANT them to play better, yeah. But it's a bad stretch. The series with the Twins coming up will be interesting for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ May 1, 2011 -> 04:38 PM) How about stress fundamentals, and then bench players who aren't showing solid fundamentals (ie: Rios and Pierzynski). I can't remember the last time Ozzie benched someone for lackidasical play. These guys have never seen someone held accountable, so there's no pressure on them to shape up. As for making team better, it would be nice if Ozzie had an idea about how to use his players. Not letting Dunn face the sinker ball with bases loaded for the struggling Rios was just weak. I want a real hardass manager. The kind of guy who will enforce the way he wants things done. Somebody who will bench even a veteran and, say, sit Konerko the day after he doesn't hustle down the line on a groundout as he never does, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ May 1, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) You are correct, it is impossible to know if someone would be 25% better. So, I would rather ride it out with Ozzie than gamble on someone else. Hell, it could be worse. I don't know how to respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 1, 2011 -> 09:56 PM) I don't know how to respond. Assuming no injuries to core players, I don't know how it can be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) Look, yeah they're playing bad. But I just don't think this team will be bad all year. Further, I don't think the Indians are for real at all. Do you think the Twins are going to finish in last? Of course not. Do you really think Kansas City is a second place team? A correction is coming. I'm able to wait patiently because I know it's a damn baseball season. I WANT them to play better, yeah. But it's a bad stretch. The series with the Twins coming up will be interesting for sure. OK, first of all, you're dismissing the Tigers. You didn't even mention them. I made a post about this earlier today. People keep writing them right off. Secondly, how much patience are we supposed to have? The Sox now have to play .600 baseball for the rest of the season to reach 90 wins. Do you seriously think they have that in them? I don't. A week or two of more bad play, and they'll have to play .600 ball just to reach 85 wins. There is no time for patience at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Joe Magrane just said on MLB Network "the White Sox seem like a dead baseball team". Sums it up perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 1, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) OK, first of all, you're dismissing the Tigers. You didn't even mention them. I made a post about this earlier today. People keep writing them right off. Secondly, how much patience are we supposed to have? The Sox now have to play .600 baseball for the rest of the season to reach 90 wins. Do you seriously think they have that in them? I don't. A week or two of more bad play, and they'll have to play .600 ball just to reach 85 wins. There is no time for patience at all. The Tigers are a personal thing for me, as I didn't think they were that good to start the season and I still don't. Nor did I think it would take 90 wins to win this division...and I still don't. The Indians just cannot keep this up. I mean I know I can't really prove why they won't, but their pitching isn't that good and there is no way the guys who are always injured (Sizemore, Hafner) will stay healthy all year. The Indians have now won 13 straight at home. That correction will be very, very fun. Hopefully we catch them when it's happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 It is literally impossible to make a case for Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2011 -> 10:05 PM) The Tigers are a personal thing for me, as I didn't think they were that good to start the season and I still don't. Nor did I think it would take 90 wins to win this division...and I still don't. The Indians just cannot keep this up. I mean I know I can't really prove why they won't, but their pitching isn't that good and there is no way the guys who are always injured (Sizemore, Hafner) will stay healthy all year. The Indians have now won 13 straight at home. That correction will be very, very fun. Hopefully we catch them when it's happening. Indians have some decent starting pitching depth though, with White coming up and Huff pitching in the minors. The most obnoxious part of the Indians surge is that OC is their "leader". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ May 1, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) Indians have some decent starting pitching depth though, with White coming up and Huff pitching in the minors. The most obnoxious part of the Indians surge is that OC is their "leader". Yeah, I can't stand that piece of crap. I know White is pobably the real deal, but I have never been a Masterson fan. I do kind of like the Tribe's pen. Then again I'm a huge sucker for big tall dudes that throw really damn hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2011 -> 05:05 PM) The Tigers are a personal thing for me, as I didn't think they were that good to start the season and I still don't. Nor did I think it would take 90 wins to win this division...and I still don't. The Indians just cannot keep this up. I mean I know I can't really prove why they won't, but their pitching isn't that good and there is no way the guys who are always injured (Sizemore, Hafner) will stay healthy all year. The Indians have now won 13 straight at home. That correction will be very, very fun. Hopefully we catch them when it's happening. How many wins do you think it will take? Like I just said, another few losses and we'll find ourselves having to win at a .600 clip just to get to 85 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 1, 2011 -> 06:16 PM) How many wins do you think it will take? Like I just said, another few losses and we'll find ourselves having to win at a .600 clip just to get to 85 wins. Right now the AL Central is playing some of the worst ball in MLB, and the only teams playing good ball finished at the bottom of the league last year. One of these teams is going to start fattening up on the rest of the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 1, 2011 -> 05:16 PM) How many wins do you think it will take? Like I just said, another few losses and we'll find ourselves having to win at a .600 clip just to get to 85 wins. I think around 85, actually. A statistical correction will be coming in their favor. I don't really think it's out of the realm of possibility for them to play .600 baseball for a month stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 1, 2011 -> 05:17 PM) Right now the AL Central is playing some of the worst ball in MLB, and the only teams playing good ball finished at the bottom of the league last year. One of these teams is going to start fattening up on the rest of the division. Traditionally, that wouldn't be us. QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) I think around 85, actually. A statistical correction will be coming in their favor. I don't really think it's out of the realm of possibility for them to play .600 baseball for a month stretch. They will have to play .600 baseball for more than just a month. And let's not forget that this team almost always struggles down the stretch. So to make up for the bad August and/or September, they're probably going to have to play better than .600 ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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