Osama Bin Laden Dead

[southsider2k5]

Before it gets crazy, because the trip down the road has already started, let's not forget the rules of the forum. K? Thnx.

[southsider2k5]

I wonder if they had a plan in place that if for some reason OBL was killed, several terrorist attacks be carried out within the US within X number of days.

 

God I hope not. As we all know, we have a ton of vulnerabilities here including trains stations and other public areas.

 

A week ago a story came out saying they had a nuke they were going to detonate if OBL even was killed or caught.

[BigSqwert]

A week ago a story came out saying they had a nuke they were going to detonate if OBL even was killed or caught.

That seems far fetched but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that a few recruits of theirs, living here, can detonate explosives in highly populated areas (i.e., Times Square, Union Station, Navy Pier, etc).

Edited May 2, 2011 by BigSqwert

[southsider2k5]

That seems far fetched but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that a few recruits of theirs, living here, can detonate explosives in highly populated areas.

 

Soft target attacks would be incredibly easy in the US.

[Soxbadger]

Why not?

 

One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

 

As for the Easter comment, I think you need to look at Passover and how the Jews feel about the killing of the first born.

 

Just because they were our enemy, just because they held us as slaves, does not mean that we forget that we are all children of god.

 

We are not truly free, until all people are free.

[Jenksismyhero]

That seems far fetched but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that a few recruits of theirs, living here, can detonate explosives in highly populated areas (i.e., Times Square, Union Station, Navy Pier, etc).

 

If they could do this why haven't they already? Same with the nuke scenario.

[BigSqwert]

If they could do this why haven't they already? Same with the nuke scenario.

I don't know. Doesn't mean they can't or won't.

[Balta1701]

If they could do this why haven't they already? Same with the nuke scenario.

There you go. You don't wait and send secret messages saying "if you kill this person we'll kill Americans" if your stated goal is to kill Americans.

[bmags]

Weren't most current college students about 8-12 years old when 9/11 occured? I doubt they have any real lasting memories of that day.

 

My guess is all of them have real lasting memories of that day. If it wasn't for him, maybe this last decade wouldn't have featured 2 wars and these people who were "8-12 with no lasting memories" would not have had their friends go off and fight and some die instead of staying home and going to school and creating families.

[Balta1701]

I don't know. Doesn't mean they can't or won't.

Actually, if they started off a plot because of this, it'd probably be less likely to succeed because the U.S. is at heightened alert and anything done immediately in response to this is likely to be rushed, and potentially somewhat sloppy.

[BigSqwert]

My guess is all of them have real lasting memories of that day. If it wasn't for him, maybe this last decade wouldn't have featured 2 wars and these people who were "8-12 with no lasting memories" would not have had their friends go off and fight and some die instead of staying home and going to school and creating families.

One of those wars had nothing to do with him so I wouldn't fault him for that one.

[greg775]

I guess one of the 10 Commandments is optional for Christians.

 

You can't seriously be comparing the killing of Osama to the killing of a serviceman.

 

We're talking about one of the most evil individuals in the history of the world.

I never thought I'd have to defend myself and others for celebrating his death.

But now that many question it, I'll have to ask the opinion of my pastor on this one.

 

I mean Bin Laden ... Hitler ... how can you not celebrate they day they were thrust into hell even if you are a Christian?

[BigSqwert]

Actually, if they started off a plot because of this, it'd probably be less likely to succeed because the U.S. is at heightened alert and anything done immediately in response to this is likely to be rushed, and potentially somewhat sloppy.

Not necessarily.

 

Lets say, 5 years ago, that they gave a command to a group of X guys in the US "If/when OBL is captured or killed, perform a suicide bombing X days later at X".

 

How would we uncover that?

[Balta1701]

Not necessarily.

 

Lets say, 5 years ago, that they gave a command to a group of X guys in the US "If/when OBL is captured or killed, perform a suicide bombing X days later at X".

 

How would we uncover that?

You're back onto the "Giving them effective superpowers" bit here. 5 years, undiscovered as a sleeper cell, with no contact with the outside, no one noticing that they took a trip to Pakistan in 2002, and no urge to start off an attack until UBL is killed?

 

If they could put a 5 year sleeper cell in place, why wait?

[BigSqwert]

We're talking about one of the most evil individuals in the history of the world.

I never thought I'd have to defend myself and others for celebrating his death.

But now that many question it, I'll have to ask the opinion of my pastor on this one.

 

I mean Bin Laden .. Hitler ... how can you not celebrate they day they were thrust into hell even if you are a Christian?

 

I never said you should or shouldn't celebrate. I just think it's odd that people who follow the bible are happy when someone is murdered, no matter who it is. It's actually one of 10 things God told people to never, ever do.

 

Personally I'm fine with him being assassinated but it's just strange to see groups of people celebrating death. We do it here when "one of them" get killed and our enemies celebrate when our people get killed. I mean lets face it...we've killed countless numbers of civilians abroad and we've had many killed here as well. Religions on both sides claiming they are peace loving people. The human race is quite bizarre to me.

[BigSqwert]

You're back onto the "Giving them effective superpowers" bit here. 5 years, undiscovered as a sleeper cell, with no contact with the outside, no one noticing that they took a trip to Pakistan in 2002, and no urge to start off an attack until UBL is killed?

 

If they could put a 5 year sleeper cell in place, why wait?

 

I don't have an answer. I never would have thought a handful of boxcutter carrying douches could pull off what they did either.

[bmags]

Personally I'm fine with him being assassinated but it's just strange to see groups of people celebrating death. We do it here when "one of them" get killed and our enemies celebrate when our people get killed. I mean lets face it...we've killed countless numbers of civilians abroad and we've had many killed here as well. Religions on both sides claiming they are peace loving people. The human race is quite bizarre to me.

 

When big things like this happen sometimes people just want to be around each other.

[Middle Buffalo]

Maybe he was feeling/looking good because he was the one who actually pulled the trigger.

 

Not that you should care, but I think it's pretty cool that one of the people that I recognize as a conservative on this site posted that pic.

[Soxbadger]

Its because of what I was taught.

 

You brought up Easter, so lets go straight to the point, Passover: (I just grabbed a Haggadah online, feel free to get a copy of the Maxwell House Haggadah)

 

http://scheinerman.net/judaism/pesach/haggadah.pdf

 

When we recall these plagues, we remove a drop of wine Ñ our

symbol of joy Ñ from our wine cups for each one, because our joy is less

when we remember the sufferings of the Egyptians.

 

SECOND CUP OF WINE

The Midrash relates that when the Egyptians were drowning in the

Reed Sea, the angels wished to join in IsraelÕs song of victory by singing

ÒHalleluyahÓ but God rebuked them, saying: ÒHow can you sing Halleluyah

when My creatures are drowning?Ó In this spirit, we fill our second cup of

wine only half-way; our gladness is diminished by any human suffering:

even the suffering of our enemies.

The second cup of wine symbolizes intellectual freedom Ñ freedom of

the mind. Closed minds lead to misunderstanding and human suffering. We

need to open our minds to new ideas and try to understand the ideas and

beliefs of others. Knowledge and understanding will lead to greater

freedom for all in our world.

 

We have joy because we were freed from Egypt, we have sorrow for the suffering of Egyptians. The basis of the Jewish faith is that we have suffered, so we do not celebrate the suffering of others.

 

The fact you would even compare Bin Laden to Hitler decreases the terribleness of Hitler.

 

Bin Laden was no Hitler, Bin Laden was a terrorist who got lucky. He killed at most 10,000 people. Let us not forget that when we compare him to some one who systematically killed millions of people.

 

So yeah, Passover teaches us to be glad, but not celebrate. Hence my earlier statement, I am glad, but I am not celebrating.

 

/shrugs

 

 

[Soxbadger]

You can draw any line in the sand that you want to try and say Osama's actions are better or worse than some one else. At the end of the day, death is death.

 

Im not sure I follow that its okay for a US serviceman to kill an innocent civilian because he is acting on US orders, as opposed to Osama killing an innocent civilian because he believes he is acting on gods orders.

 

Those arent my beliefs, but I could make a pretty compelling argument either way if I really cared to.

 

The simple fact is I dont believe in dancing on other peoples graves. I feel sorrow, for all those who have suffered for the unnecessary fights.

 

And that is on both sides of the fence.

[Jenksismyhero]

You can draw any line in the sand that you want to try and say Osama's actions are better or worse than some one else. At the end of the day, death is death.

 

Im not sure I follow that its okay for a US serviceman to kill an innocent civilian because he is acting on US orders, as opposed to Osama killing an innocent civilian because he believes he is acting on gods orders.

 

Those arent my beliefs, but I could make a pretty compelling argument either way if I really cared to.

 

The simple fact is I dont believe in dancing on other peoples graves. I feel sorrow, for all those who have suffered for the unnecessary fights.

 

And that is on both sides of the fence.

 

No you can't, because they are not the same. One was deliberate, the other is collateral damage. Going down your logic we should all be praising Osama for being a revolutionary who is just doing what he believes in for his people. f*** that. Dude was a murdering coward who deserved to be shot in the face and thrown into the vast ocean.

 

Christian or not, celebrate your faces off. This is a good day for America and its people.

[Steve9347]

You're entitled to your opinion. That's quite alright.

 

I never said it wasn't a reason to celebrate. I never said I was offended by the celebrations. And I never said a thing about Serbia (but it was only a matter of time before someone ignorantly mentioned it). For the sake of all people who OBL affected, I hope this doesn't turn into something it shouldn't.

I don't believe I ignorantly mentioned it at all. I picked two sports things that have been cool since you turned 21.

[G&T]

My guess is all of them have real lasting memories of that day. If it wasn't for him, maybe this last decade wouldn't have featured 2 wars and these people who were "8-12 with no lasting memories" would not have had their friends go off and fight and some die instead of staying home and going to school and creating families.

 

 

Having memories of family leaving for war is different from having a memory of 9/11 itself. The wars are collateral to the event. Celebrate the return of the soldiers.

 

By the way, I'm not chastizing them for celebrating if it was honest celebration. But I think those who lost family members in 2001 are more solemn than the college students were.

[Milkman delivers]

How dare you question how other people celebrate such a momentous occasion? What are they portraying? National Pride? What a horrible thing!

 

No one slaps the beer out of your hand when Serbia scores a huge victory or when the Blackhawks win the Stanley Cup, yet you complain about people celebrating an event much more important.

 

I see no reason why you should take offense to others finding the death of Bin Laden a reason for celebration. The entire country sat in disbelief watching the events unfold after 9/11, and we'd certainly hoped to have Osama, figurehead or not, brought to justice for his crimes against our country and others. The US Military, after a decade of close calls, has finally made Bin Laden answer for his crimes with the ultimate payment. If you don't understand the weight this event should have on national pride then you are just looking for reasons to complain.

 

I, for one, enjoyed all footage of Americans of all races partying, carrying flags, chanting "USA, USA, USA", and I'd hope most others would as well.

 

Don't bother, Steve. This is the same guy who defended Slobodan Milosevic.

[Soxbadger]

Where did I say they were the same?

 

I said Im not sure its "okay".

 

Or are you saying who cares about collateral damage as long as its ordered. IE We shouldnt care about all the innocents the A-Bomb killed because we didnt really mean to kill all those civilians, it just happened.

 

Like I said, anyone can do what they want, just remember when you are dancing on the streets about some one's death, they will be dancing about yours.

 

As long as you are fine with that, dance the night away.

 

I personally am not fine with that.

 

As for Christian or not, who cares.