Osama Bin Laden Dead

[BigSqwert]

@baratunde:

Bin Laden used wife as shield http://politi.co/m1vJJq #WorstHusbandEver

[southsider2k5]

So are we going with Deathers on this one?

 

http://www.facebook.com/cindyssoapbox/posts/128596820550958

 

I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you’re stupid. Just think to yourself–they paraded Saddam’s dead sons around to prove they were dead–why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent–just put your flags away and THINK!

[BigSqwert]

Where did I say they were the same?

 

I said Im not sure its "okay".

 

Or are you saying who cares about collateral damage as long as its ordered. IE We shouldnt care about all the innocents the A-Bomb killed because we didnt really mean to kill all those civilians, it just happened.

 

Like I said, anyone can do what they want, just remember when you are dancing on the streets about some one's death, they will be dancing about yours.

 

As long as you are fine with that, dance the night away.

 

I personally am not fine with that.

 

As for Christian or not, who cares.

 

In full agreement. Maybe that's why I liked Barry Sanders so much.

 

And dude, use the quote button!

[bmags]

Having memories of family leaving for war is different from having a memory of 9/11 itself. The wars are collateral to the event. Celebrate the return of the soldiers.

 

By the way, I'm not chastizing them for celebrating if it was honest celebration. But I think those who lost family members in 2001 are more solemn than the college students were.

 

If you think people 20-24 don't remember 9/11, i'm just telling you you are sorely mistaken. And that day severely changed the course of a lot of people that age's lives.

[BigSqwert]

So are we going with Deathers on this one?

 

http://www.facebook.com/cindyssoapbox/posts/128596820550958

Oh man.

[Quin]

One, whoever said that I wouldn't have lasting memories of 9/11, since I'm 18, I was eight at the time.

 

I was sick, early that morning, passing the Village Hall in Aroma Park, riding with my dad to my grandma's so she could watch me.

 

Listening to Mike & Mike in the Morning, like every morning.

 

"A plane has just flown into the World Trade Center" --- Mike Greenberg

 

"Oh s***." --- My dad

 

I remember my grandmother being horrified, saying they would never stop talking about it because while I didn't realize the gravity of the situation at the time, I'll be damned if I don't have crystal clear memory of that day. That attack and all the war and suffering that has come from it has been more a part of my f***ing life than any other world event. This man was one of the greatest embodiments of Evil the world has ever seen. And you know what my first thought was? "Instead of celebration...people are going to spin this into politics and try to keep it from being what it really is. A time to come together. Bush and Obama did it, not one or the other."

 

Then, my next thought? "He's gone."

 

That Greg, is all we need. No biblical-vengeance filled desire to celebrate. Am I happy? Yes. Will I celebrate? Yes. Will I go out partying like crazy because he's dead? No. It's not respectful to those who have had their friends and family killed. This moment is for them, for those that fought him and his f***ing evil since before I was born. While things like that Osama in Hell twitter are hilarious, who gives a s*** what goes on in Hell, if there is a Hell, anything. He...he's gone. That's only thing we can all agree on and it's more than enough. He'll never touch Hitler's level of evil, but damn...he's gone. A stain has been removed from this world and maybe instead of celebrating his death, we can celebrate our world being purified, our own cleansing, because it happened last night.

 

And all anyone can do is spin this into "Bush vs. Obama" or worry about retribution or wishing the dead man to rot in Hell. Our world is finally clean, if it's only for a day. That should be more than enough.

Edited May 2, 2011 by Quinarvy

[Steve9347]

When big things like this happen sometimes people just want to be around each other.

That. If people are close, go be with them and celebrate. Hell, I'm sure most on this board could not resist phoning at least a handful of those closest to them (especially those they were around when 9/11 transpired). It's natural to be celebratory.

[Milkman delivers]

My guess is all of them have real lasting memories of that day. If it wasn't for him, maybe this last decade wouldn't have featured 2 wars and these people who were "8-12 with no lasting memories" would not have had their friends go off and fight and some die instead of staying home and going to school and creating families.

 

Well said, bmags.

[SoxFan1]

Don't bother, Steve. This is the same guy who defended Slobodan Milosevic.

Didn't see THAT ONE coming.

[Balta1701]

So are we going with Deathers on this one?

I believe we were using that term for people who quoted the "Death Panel" thing 2 years ago, but it's probably free to be used again.

[Buehrle>Wood]

I was 11 during the events of September 11th. Like my peers, it was one of the most vivid days of my life. I remember being completely shellshocked about the events and what I was seeing. Up to that point, I was taught that America was the greatest, invincible. All of the sudden, that changed in an instant. We went from world-conquering power to being under attack by some random guy thousands of miles away. This was pretty damning to an 11 year old to take on and understand. It has definitely had a lasting effect on me.

 

 

Fast forward a decade, we have been in multiple wars that in hindsight people think were pretty pointless. We caused one of the greatest economic downfalls ever. And now this. I don't think people were necessarily celebrating to celebrate the death of Osama. Rather, we were celebrating because America did something great, something that no one else could apparently do. Something that was a decade in the making. For the first time in my generation's life, we could celebrate the greatness of our country. And that's a good thing.

Edited May 2, 2011 by Buehrle>Wood

[BigSqwert]

Can we put up the real MISSION ACCOMPLISHED sign now?

[SoxFan1]

Am I happy? Yes. Will I celebrate? Yes. Will I go out partying like crazy because he's dead? No. It's not respectful to those who have had their friends and family killed.

Exactly.

[Jenksismyhero]

Where did I say they were the same?

 

I said Im not sure its "okay".

 

Or are you saying who cares about collateral damage as long as its ordered. IE We shouldnt care about all the innocents the A-Bomb killed because we didnt really mean to kill all those civilians, it just happened.

 

Like I said, anyone can do what they want, just remember when you are dancing on the streets about some one's death, they will be dancing about yours.

 

As long as you are fine with that, dance the night away.

 

I personally am not fine with that.

 

As for Christian or not, who cares.

 

You said you can make a compelling argument that they're essentially one in the same, and i'm saying there's a difference. Context matters a whole lot here IMO. Osama killed who he intended to kill - Americans. A US serviceman who drops a bomb on enemy combatants and kills innocent civilians in the process has no such intent.

[Soxbadger]

The greatness of our country was on 9/11, when in the face of death people did heroic things.

 

Killing Osama does not compare to that greatness, killing Osama does not make America great.

 

The list of NY FD and PD, the people on the plane that fought back, that is America's greatness.

 

Every time I see a picture of NY that includes the Twin Towers, I think of America's greatness, it is in the spirit of those who were willing to sacrifice everything for someone that they had never met.

 

If that is not greatness, than I do not understand the word.

[Steve9347]

I guess it's the old "to each his own". I didn't go out and celebrate (f***, it was Sunday night!), but I don't blame those who did. I'm meeting some friends for the Bulls game tonight, and the first beverage is definitely going to be toasted to the events of last night, to those who have died in the "War on Terror" and to those we lost on 9/11.

 

I guess I don't understand taking offense to it or claiming people celebrating a huge moment in American history are doing something wrong. Everyone celebrates in their own way.

[Soxbadger]

I never said I could make a compelling argument that they are the same thing.

 

I said I could make a compelling argument why some one dancing on the street over a soldiers death was similar to some one dancing on the street over Osama's death.

 

If a soldier killed your family (accidentally) and then he was killed, Im sure there are people that would dance in the street. It doesnt matter what the intention is, it matters what the end result is. Both men caused the death of innocent lives.

 

I am just not so bold as to blindly believe that I am on the right side. For all I know, we are the ones going to hell.

 

Its easy cheer when you have always been the majority, it is much harder to cheer when you are in the minority and you can remember (not personally but historically) when people were cheering the death of your people.

[Steve9347]

Actually, I just coined this, in my brain, because I am a genius.

 

Tonight my buddies and I will do some "Osama Been Shots" prior to the game.

[bmags]

Fast forward a decade, we have been in multiple wars that in hindsight people think were pretty pointless. We caused one of the greatest economic downfalls ever. And now this. I don't think people were necessarily celebrating to celebrate the death of Osama. Rather, we were celebrating because America did something great, something that no one else could apparently do. Something that was a decade in the making. For the first time in my generation's life, we could celebrate the greatness of our country. And that's a good thing.

 

I think this is pretty true. I think the first compelling thing was shock, then a need to be with others who feel the same. But I think the fact that we've had nothing to cheer about for so long and it's been so dark probably ended up manifesting itself as a party. There's a largely symbolic part of OBL, I don't really relate or think of him so much as human. He is very much a symbol of awful things and i'm glad the physical portion of that was killed. These deaths sort of transcend mortality and I don't think it's such an easy comparison to many other deaths.

[Milkman delivers]

One, whoever said that I wouldn't have lasting memories of 9/11, since I'm 18, I was eight at the time.

 

I was sick, early that morning, passing the Village Hall in Aroma Park, riding with my dad to my grandma's so she could watch me.

 

Listening to Mike & Mike in the Morning, like every morning.

 

"A plane has just flown into the World Trade Center" --- Mike Greenberg

 

"Oh s***." --- My dad

 

I remember my grandmother being horrified, saying they would never stop talking about it because while I didn't realize the gravity of the situation at the time, I'll be damned if I don't have crystal clear memory of that day. That attack and all the war and suffering that has come from it has been more a part of my f***ing life than any other world event. This man was one of the greatest embodiments of Evil the world has ever seen. And you know what my first thought was? "Instead of celebration...people are going to spin this into politics and try to keep it from being what it really is. A time to come together. Bush and Obama did it, not one or the other."

 

Then, my next thought? "He's gone."

 

That Greg, is all we need. No biblical-vengeance filled desire to celebrate. Am I happy? Yes. Will I celebrate? Yes. Will I go out partying like crazy because he's dead? No. It's not respectful to those who have had their friends and family killed. This moment is for them, for those that fought him and his f***ing evil since before I was born. While things like that Osama in Hell twitter are hilarious, who gives a s*** what goes on in Hell, if there is a Hell, anything. He...he's gone. That's only thing we can all agree on and it's more than enough. He'll never touch Hitler's level of evil, but damn...he's gone. A stain has been removed from this world and maybe instead of celebrating his death, we can celebrate our world being purified, our own cleansing, because it happened last night.

 

And all anyone can do is spin this into "Bush vs. Obama" or worry about retribution or wishing the dead man to rot in Hell. Our world is finally clean, if it's only for a day. That should be more than enough.

 

Awesome!

[Buehrle>Wood]

The greatness of our country was on 9/11, when in the face of death people did heroic things.

 

 

The list of NY FD and PD, the people on the plane that fought back, that is America's greatness.

 

Every time I see a picture of NY that includes the Twin Towers, I think of America's greatness, it is in the spirit of those who were willing to sacrifice everything for someone that they had never met.

No one will disagree with that.

 

 

But being the one to rid the world of a man responsible for 10,000 human lives is another reason why America is great.

[BigSqwert]

No one will disagree with that.

 

 

But being the one to rid the world of a man responsible for 10,000 human lives is another reason why America is great.

 

If Obama or Bush were killed there would be a lot of people in other countries celebrating in the streets since we killed thousands of innocent civilians in the last decade.

[Steve9347]

I never said I could make a compelling argument that they are the same thing.

 

I said I could make a compelling argument why some one dancing on the street over a soldiers death was similar to some one dancing on the street over Osama's death.

 

If a soldier killed your family (accidentally) and then he was killed, Im sure there are people that would dance in the street. It doesnt matter what the intention is, it matters what the end result is. Both men caused the death of innocent lives.

 

I am just not so bold as to blindly believe that I am on the right side. For all I know, we are the ones going to hell.

 

Its easy cheer when you have always been the majority, it is much harder to cheer when you are in the minority and you can remember (not personally but historically) when people were cheering the death of your people.

You really should use the quote button. That was a good recommendation.

[RockRaines]

I guess it's the old "to each his own". I didn't go out and celebrate (f***, it was Sunday night!), but I don't blame those who did. I'm meeting some friends for the Bulls game tonight, and the first beverage is definitely going to be toasted to the events of last night, to those who have died in the "War on Terror" and to those we lost on 9/11.

 

I guess I don't understand taking offense to it or claiming people celebrating a huge moment in American history are doing something wrong. Everyone celebrates in their own way.

I work with several people who had friends and relatives that died in the second tower as we had a large office there. They spent alot of last night reflecting and celebrating the death of a monster who ruthlessly killed not only americans, but his countrymen as well. The Bible, country affiliations, etc have no bearing on the right or wrong aspect of the death of someone who killed innocent people with no mercy. There were no sides, no teams, just blind murder. Good riddance.

Edited May 2, 2011 by RockRaines

[SoxFan1]

Its easy cheer when you have always been the majority, it is much harder to cheer when you are in the minority and you can remember (not personally but historically) when people were cheering the death of your people.

Agreed 10000%.