Osama Bin Laden Dead

[Milkman delivers]

So, what good came from the celebrations? All it may have done is piss people off, there is not one thing that the US concretely gained by going out and celebrating as if we actually won or accomplished something.

 

I can point to a concrete example of why this could not only hurt America's perception, but also could result in more American deaths.

 

What can you point to as a concrete example of how this will help Americans?

 

If you and your friends want to go to a bar and get drunk, good for you. But going out and acting like that, when we know how many innocent people have died at both Osama's and the US's hands because of this nonsense, does nothing more than fuel the flames

 

Ill celebrate when they pull the troops out of Pakistan and Afghanistan, Ill celebrate when they end the War on terror.

 

Until then, we still have men and women out there who are risking their lives, we still have innocent civilians being killed on both sides. Its not over, and until its over, Im not celebrating, because I dont celebrate the death of anyone, I celebrate those who do great things, I wouldnt give Osama the honor of celebrating. Celebrating his death does nothing more than make him out to be more than he ever was. Just stupid person who got lucky, hes no super villain, hes nothing.

 

It certainly made me feel good and it united large masses of the American public in a way that we haven't seen in a long, long time.

 

And isn't the way to fight terrorism to not let their potential actions change the way you do things? If we had this huge victory of killing the world's most prolific terrorist, we should suppress our jubilation because it might irk somebody? No, we show our happiness with the situation.

[Jenksismyhero]

So, what good came from the celebrations? All it may have done is piss people off, there is not one thing that the US concretely gained by going out and celebrating as if we actually won or accomplished something.

 

I can point to a concrete example of why this could not only hurt America's perception, but also could result in more American deaths.

 

What can you point to as a concrete example of how this will help Americans?

 

If you and your friends want to go to a bar and get drunk, good for you. But going out and acting like that, when we know how many innocent people have died at both Osama's and the US's hands because of this nonsense, does nothing more than fuel the flames

 

Ill celebrate when they pull the troops out of Pakistan and Afghanistan, Ill celebrate when they end the War on terror.

 

Until then, we still have men and women out there who are risking their lives, we still have innocent civilians being killed on both sides. Its not over, and until its over, Im not celebrating, because I dont celebrate the death of anyone, I celebrate those who do great things, I wouldnt give Osama the honor of celebrating. Celebrating his death does nothing more than make him out to be more than he ever was. Just stupid person who got lucky, hes no super villain, hes nothing.

 

No you can't. I just showed you how they're recruiting new people and spreading their message simply because of his death. It had nothing to do with our celebration of it.

 

And you don't think celebrating helped people? You don't think that helped the national mood? You don't think that's good news that made people happy, even if for a day? GMAFB man.

[Milkman delivers]

Its not an absolute, its just if it could cause 1 more terrorist, who may kill more people, why do it?

 

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That is the rationale argument, the moral argument is clearly against celebrating. All you have to do is look at the quote I posted about what god said to the hebrews after they left Egypt.

 

You dont cheer for the suffering of others. Thats been a judeo christian rule since almost 6000 years ago.

 

I bet they'd also like all of us to convert to Islam. If we don't, it might also cause 1 more terrorist to kill more people.

[StrangeSox]

I bet they'd also like all of us to convert to Islam. If we don't, it might also cause 1 more terrorist to kill more people.

 

Islam is the Light.

[Soxbadger]

Because its not a huge victory. its a Pyrrhic victory.

 

Osama is a small time b****, he never even killed a 100,000 people. He just happened to kill our people, and when that happens it is natural to want revenge. But revenge does nothing but kill more people.

 

This whole thing started because we all wanted revenge, blood feuds never end well, some one has to be the one who buries the hatchet (how is that for a run of cliches).

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Because its not a huge victory. its a Pyrrhic victory.

 

Osama is a small time b****, he never even killed a 100,000 people. He just happened to kill our people, and when that happens it is natural to want revenge. But revenge does nothing but kill more people.

 

This whole thing started because we all wanted revenge, blood feuds never end well, some one has to be the one who buries the hatchet (how is that for a run of cliches).

 

Are you living in reality? You do know that Bin Laden was the world's number 1 terrorist right? How on earth can you call him a small b**** considering the lives and money he's cost the world over the last 10-12 years?

 

[Texsox]

No you can't. I just showed you how they're recruiting new people and spreading their message simply because of his death. It had nothing to do with our celebration of it.

 

And you don't think celebrating helped people? You don't think that helped the national mood? You don't think that's good news that made people happy, even if for a day? GMAFB man.

 

 

I believe celebrating helped some people, in balance, the celebrations may have done more good than harm. And of course our existance is enough for some people, but you act as if people are already set on for or against us. There are a lot of people out there, watching CNN, FOX, and other US coverage, who are not swayed as much by terrorist recruiting but on what they see with their own eyes from as close to unbiased sources as available. You are certainly intelligent enough to see that point.

[Soxbadger]

Your argument is that there will be terrorists anyways, so who cares what we do.

 

I dont need to respond to it because its flat out nonsense. We all know that our actions can have consequences, and you cant say that there is not a person out there who would otherwise not been a terrorist, but for seeing how America reacted last night.

 

And if there is even a .0000001% chance, than im going to play on the safe side. I can get drunk for no reason, I can shout USA USA for no reason, I can be proud of the US for so many things.

 

I just dont agree with being proud for killing a man, it makes him a myth, it makes him a legend, it puts him in a historical context that he does not deserve. He is no myth, he is no legend, he is just a man, and I dont celebrate the death of men.

[whitesoxfan101]

I just dont agree with being proud for killing a man, it makes him a myth, it makes him a legend, it puts him in a historical context that he does not deserve. He is no myth, he is no legend, he is just a man, and I dont celebrate the death of men.

 

The celebrations after his death do not change what Osama Bin Laden was, for better or worse.

[Milkman delivers]

Because its not a huge victory. its a Pyrrhic victory.

 

Osama is a small time b****, he never even killed a 100,000 people. He just happened to kill our people, and when that happens it is natural to want revenge. But revenge does nothing but kill more people.

 

This whole thing started because we all wanted revenge, blood feuds never end well, some one has to be the one who buries the hatchet (how is that for a run of cliches).

 

It's not? Aw s***, Gandhi, where were you yesterday? You could've stopped all of this trouble if you had just informed every other American that this isn't, in fact, a huge victory.

 

I'm surprised nobody has ever informed me that Soxbadger is the person who determines the size of victories.

 

The fact that you would even argue that it's not, at the very least, a huge moral victory, I just don't know what to say. You love to argue anything, so I'll just assume that you're playing devil's advocate for the 800th time on the board.

[Texsox]

Are you living in reality? You do know that Bin Laden was the world's number 1 terrorist right? How on earth can you call him a small b**** considering the lives and money he's cost the world over the last 10-12 years?

 

 

World's? Which countries are you including in that? He was certainly the US's #1 and perhaps a couple other english speaking, Christian countries, #1 terrorist threat, but he was nothing to most of the world.

[StrangeSox]

The celebrations after his death do not change what Osama Bin Laden was, for better or worse.

 

It can mythologize it.

[StrangeSox]

World's? Which countries are you including in that? He was certainly the US's #1 and perhaps a couple other english speaking, Christian countries, #1 terrorist threat, but he was nothing to most of the world.

 

He was pretty heavily active against Saudi Arabia in the 2000's. Libya as well. He was a gigantic s***head to a good chunk of the world, Christian and Muslim.

[Milkman delivers]

Your argument is that there will be terrorists anyways, so who cares what we do.

 

I dont need to respond to it because its flat out nonsense. We all know that our actions can have consequences, and you cant say that there is not a person out there who would otherwise not been a terrorist, but for seeing how America reacted last night.

 

And if there is even a .0000001% chance, than im going to play on the safe side. I can get drunk for no reason, I can shout USA USA for no reason, I can be proud of the US for so many things.

 

I just dont agree with being proud for killing a man, it makes him a myth, it makes him a legend, it puts him in a historical context that he does not deserve. He is no myth, he is no legend, he is just a man, and I dont celebrate the death of men.

 

But he has to respond to your nonsense about the killing of bin Laden not being a victory. OK.

[Soxbadger]

Hes the #1 terrorist because of the US.

 

Look at the kill totals, Bin Laden is small time. Even Saddam has way more kills than Bin Laden.

 

Who cares if the US govt ranks him 1 or a million, I care about death totals.

 

The reason he was #1, is because he actually had the audacity to take on the crown. I understand what the US did, we made an example of him. You kill one of ours, we kill ten of yours. I get this mentality more than I care to admit, but now that we have him, we need to put him in his real historical context, a lucky b****.

 

With all of his money, with all of his access this was all he could achieve.

 

Hes a failure, unless we make him out to be "THE GREATEST TERRORIST TO EVER LIVE"

 

[whitesoxfan101]

Hes the #1 terrorist because of the US.

 

Look at the kill totals, Bin Laden is small time. Even Saddam has way more kills than Bin Laden.

 

Who cares if the US govt ranks him 1 or a million, I care about death totals.

 

The reason he was #1, is because he actually had the audacity to take on the crown. I understand what the US did, we made an example of him. You kill one of ours, we kill ten of yours. I get this mentality more than I care to admit, but now that we have him, we need to put him in his real historical context, a lucky b****.

 

With all of his money, with all of his access this was all he could achieve.

 

Hes a failure, unless we make him out to be "THE GREATEST TERRORIST TO EVER LIVE"

 

This post is so wrong that I don't even know how to respond to it..

[Milkman delivers]

Hes the #1 terrorist because of the US.

 

Look at the kill totals, Bin Laden is small time. Even Saddam has way more kills than Bin Laden.

 

Who cares if the US govt ranks him 1 or a million, I care about death totals.

 

The reason he was #1, is because he actually had the audacity to take on the crown. I understand what the US did, we made an example of him. You kill one of ours, we kill ten of yours. I get this mentality more than I care to admit, but now that we have him, we need to put him in his real historical context, a lucky b****.

 

With all of his money, with all of his access this was all he could achieve.

 

Hes a failure, unless we make him out to be "THE GREATEST TERRORIST TO EVER LIVE"

 

So it's strictly about numbers? Man, you really are a lawyer to the core.

[StrangeSox]

Guys, you're all monsters, how can you celebrate the death of even on man, even if he was a monster?!?!?

 

Guys, you're a bunch of crazy liberal idiots, how can you not celebrate the death of this monster?!!?!?

[flippedoutpunk]

Guys, you're all monsters, how can you celebrate the death of even on man, even if he was a monster?!?!?

 

Guys, you're a bunch of crazy liberal idiots, how can you not celebrate the death of this monster?!!?!?

 

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[StrangeSox]

Me? I'm above it all! Both sides are such neanderthals in comparison with my sophisticated position!

[Jenksismyhero]

Your argument is that there will be terrorists anyways, so who cares what we do.

 

I dont need to respond to it because its flat out nonsense. We all know that our actions can have consequences, and you cant say that there is not a person out there who would otherwise not been a terrorist, but for seeing how America reacted last night.

 

And if there is even a .0000001% chance, than im going to play on the safe side. I can get drunk for no reason, I can shout USA USA for no reason, I can be proud of the US for so many things.

 

I just dont agree with being proud for killing a man, it makes him a myth, it makes him a legend, it puts him in a historical context that he does not deserve. He is no myth, he is no legend, he is just a man, and I dont celebrate the death of men.

 

First, you're completely ignoring the positive consequences of his death. You don't think his death - getting rid of the face of islamic terrorism - isn't going to be a positive? You keep claiming this negative consequence without addressing my point that they're using his death for propaganda anyway, so how does celebrating it going to make much of a difference? When you link me a video that shows people burning the Quran and screaming death to all muslims, then i'll agree with you. That's not a good thing. But people chanting USA because they finally caught the guy responsible for 9/11 isn't going to change anything.

 

Second, I appreciate the fact that you want to minimize the importance of Bin Laden, but that's just not reality man. It's been a decade. He's the most wanted man in the world. That's not legend, that's not a myth, that's a fact. People will remember last night like they remembered 9/11. It was a historic event whether you like it or not.

[Texsox]

He was pretty heavily active against Saudi Arabia in the 2000's. Libya as well. He was a gigantic s***head to a good chunk of the world, Christian and Muslim.

 

 

I just do not see celebrations like in the US anywhere else in the world. For the WORLD"S #1 Terrorist to be brought to justice, you would think we'd see these crazy street celebrations in Australia, Germany, South Africa, Spain, Pakistan, Brazil, Mexico, Korea, China . . . He was justifiably the #1 face of terrorism in the US, and we should have spend the resources to take him out, but for most of the seven billion people on the planet, he was a criminal who committed a crime against America or worse, a justified freedom fighter.

[Milkman delivers]

Me? I'm above it all! Both sides are such neanderthals in comparison with my sophisticated position!

 

That smiley is awesome. Perfect

[Soxbadger]

What else can you look at but the numbers?

 

Since the Civil War, the US has suffered very few domestic casualties. It was a historical inevitability that some time, some where, we would get hit.

 

We should all be glad that Osama was a small time fool, because if he had been really as bad as we make him out to be he could have killed so many more people.

 

[StrangeSox]

That smiley is awesome. Perfect

 

I've got loads more of awesome smilies I can steal! SoxTalk needs a smiley update.