Osama Bin Laden Dead

[Balta1701]

The White House confirmed that the burial at sea was taped.

I'm sure they recorded every single thing they did from the moment the helicopters landed.

[Steve9347]

I'm sure they recorded every single thing they did from the moment the helicopters landed.

Of course. There's no reason not to in this day and age.

 

How much we need to see of it I don't know. It'll be interesting in 20 years when the video of the raid leaks.

[Milkman delivers]

Gotcha, we agree then. That's why I was laughing at the article claiming that the Pak military didn't know anything. That is a load of crap.

 

I don't think you can blame the guy. The president of any country isn't going to come out and say one or more of his highest ranking officials was conspiring with one of the world's most wanted men. He had to paint the picture that Pakistan had a united front against him on the side of the US. And for what it's worth, I believe that to be the case for the most part. 90something% of Pakistani officials were probably intent on aiding in the capture or murder of bin Laden. But as is the case with many things, it only takes a couple of people working against the others to prevent or delay it.

[flippedoutpunk]

The Chinese are hilarious.

 

haha i loved it.. the political incorrectness is off the charts

[Texsox]

I am assuming that their military has more freedom to check civilian homes than here in the US. It would be very easy to understand someone hiding in a home like that in the US and not getting caught. We have so many privacy laws. Hell, we don't catch everyone on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.

 

I am a little surprised that Pakistan is trying to take some public credit. That would set them up for reprisals from what remains of Al Qaeda.

[Texsox]

I think it's safe to assume he's been in this compound, maybe with the occasional trip out, since 2005. If nothing else, the U.S. has supposedly been watching this facility quite intently for the last year and there's no reports that we saw him coming or going.

 

 

I assume they checked for any underground tunnels. Although 40 minutes might not have been enough. Also, someone had to have left to buy grocercies, beer, check the soccer scores, pick up porn.He could have been concealed.

 

So many questions. It's a book I'd buy.

[Balta1701]

I am a little surprised that Pakistan is trying to take some public credit. That would set them up for reprisals from what remains of Al Qaeda.

Which tells you that they're more scared of losing billions of U.S. dollars than they are of another terrorist attack.

[Milkman delivers]

I am assuming that their military has more freedom to check civilian homes than here in the US. It would be very easy to understand someone hiding in a home like that in the US and not getting caught. We have so many privacy laws. Hell, we don't catch everyone on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.

 

I am a little surprised that Pakistan is trying to take some public credit. That would set them up for reprisals from what remains of Al Qaeda.

 

At the same time, they probably punish their soldiers much more severely for disobeying an order. So say the highest ranking official in that specific area orders that no attention is paid to that compound, do you think some renegade Pakistani private is going to go snooping around the confines?

[Milkman delivers]

I assume they checked for any underground tunnels. Although 40 minutes might not have been enough. Also, someone had to have left to buy grocercies, beer, check the soccer scores, pick up porn.He could have been concealed.

 

So many questions. It's a book I'd buy.

 

For a guy who had been living on the run for 10 years and residing in an overwhelmingly Muslim nation, I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to move around on occasion with one's head covered in some kind of wrap or the like.

Edited May 3, 2011 by Milkman delivers

[flippedoutpunk]

For a guy who had been living on the run for 10 years and residing in an overwhelmingly Muslim nation, I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to move around on occasion with one's head covered in some kind of wrap or the like.

 

except for him being like 7 feet tall

[southsider2k5]

I am assuming that their military has more freedom to check civilian homes than here in the US. It would be very easy to understand someone hiding in a home like that in the US and not getting caught. We have so many privacy laws. Hell, we don't catch everyone on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list.

 

I am a little surprised that Pakistan is trying to take some public credit. That would set them up for reprisals from what remains of Al Qaeda.

 

It is a balancing act for sure. On one had they are getting billions of dollars from us, and a lot of military support, plus hardware. On the other hand they have a significant part of their population dedicated to eradicating us from this planet. Then you also have to figure in they are either going to look like bumbling idiots for not knowing Bin Laden was there, or like they were protecting him, depending on what side they portray.

 

This is a bad spot for Pak to be in.

[greg775]

Just reading through this thread and seeing some of the garbage that you are posting is honestly jaw dropping. Its no coincidence that a few people didnt even know how to respond to some of your posts because they are literally that ridiculous.

 

A lot of your post say things like "I dont think" or "I dont feel" or "To me." Your opinion is your opinion, and nobody is trying to take that away from, but you need to get off your high horse when you disagree with other peoples.

 

How dare you try to belittle the effect 9/11 or anything else OBL had part in because you dont feel the death count was high enough to make it as significant as some other event in history? 9/11 had a DEVASTATING impact on my immediate family, something that we still havent recovered from and there are tens of thousands of people around the country that were impacted more then not being able to bring shampoo on airplanes. So dont try to tell me how to feel, or how to act or that I should be worried that getting some closure will offend people that dont know me or care whether I live or die across the world.

 

I dont doubt that there were handfuls of people who were just celebrating to celebrate last night, and thats their right. A right thats being protected for them by soldiers all over the world. As other people have pointed out, these were peaceful celebrations, they werent riots. It was one of the most refreshing things Ive seen in terms of national pride watching people all over the country cheering, singing and being proud of our nation.

 

Its been a long time since people have been able to put politics and hate aside and all celebrate as a whole around here, no matter what the reason. Im very grateful to the Obama administration, all of the soldiers that have risked their lives for our freedom and anyone else who had a role in bringing this closure to me and my family. I guess that makes me a bad guy.

 

Great post.

Badger was all over the map so I don't know what to think. He said in the same breath he wasn't against celebrating and is a very proud American and w/out America he'd be nothing, etc., so I don't think Badger's position is as sucky as I originally thought. Sorry about your family's losses.

 

I re=read your post just now; it's f***ing incredible. Great great post.

That's also what I liked about the celebrations even tho I couldn't put it into words

as you did. After reading the Vatican and some of the religious leaders' views on celebrating deaths, I feel somewhat guilty about taking great joy in his death, but your post was awesome.

Edited May 3, 2011 by greg775

[southsider2k5]

At the same time, they probably punish their soldiers much more severely for disobeying an order. So say the highest ranking official in that specific area orders that no attention is paid to that compound, do you think some renegade Pakistani private is going to go snooping around the confines?

 

It also means they are more likely to catch a bullet for dereliction of duty if they come to find out someone specific knew and didn't talk.

[Milkman delivers]

except for him being like 7 feet tall

 

Haha, I wonder if he was considered tall enough in that area to stand out. I apparently don't know enough about Pakistani stereotypes. All I have to work with is the guy from Seinfeld.

[southsider2k5]

except for him being like 7 feet tall

 

Not to mention the medical care and supplies he needed daily.

[Milkman delivers]

It also means they are more likely to catch a bullet for dereliction of duty if they come to find out someone specific knew and didn't talk.

 

The risk might seem worth it if the person taking the risk is a crazy fundamentalist or receiving large payments from a wealthy terrorist.

[RockRaines]

It is a balancing act for sure. On one had they are getting billions of dollars from us, and a lot of military support, plus hardware. On the other hand they have a significant part of their population dedicated to eradicating us from this planet. Then you also have to figure in they are either going to look like bumbling idiots for not knowing Bin Laden was there, or like they were protecting him, depending on what side they portray.

 

This is a bad spot for Pak to be in.

I mean, we have guaranteed jobs over here for paki's that want to move to the US. You'd think they'd be a bit more cooperative with us.

[southsider2k5]

The risk might seem worth it if the person taking the risk is a crazy fundamentalist or receiving large payments from a wealthy terrorist.

 

Religion is a powerful thing. Then again so is money, and that didn't work out at all for us.

[Balta1701]

Haha, I wonder if he was considered tall enough in that area to stand out. I apparently don't know enough about Pakistani stereotypes. All I have to work with is the guy from Seinfeld.

Amazingly, Wikipedia has the list, but doesn't include pakistan!

 

The average height in india is about 5'3", which is ~6 inches shorter than for your average person in a western nation.

[Milkman delivers]

Amazingly, Wikipedia has the list, but doesn't include pakistan!

 

The average height in india is about 5'3", which is ~6 inches shorter than for your average person in a western nation.

 

Hm, I love Wikipedia. When does its inventor get his own movie?

 

Religion is a powerful thing. Then again so is money, and that didn't work out at all for us.

 

I don't get what you're saying in the second part.

[southsider2k5]

Now it gets interesting! There is more at the link. It will be interesting to see if this gets any foothold, and then to see the effort to knock it down.

 

http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics...sama-bin-laden/

 

Did Senior Military/Intelligence Officials Overrule President Obama Regarding Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden?

Published by Ulsterman on May 2, 2011 in US Politics

 

A reluctant American president who was ultimately overridden by senior military and intelligence officials to finally take out terrorist Osama Bin Laden…

 

Note: This communication came from our long time D.C. Insider and details previous and ongoing conflicts surrounding the decision to assassinate terrorist Osama Bin Laden. This has been reproduced here as originally communicated to us.

 

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Please get this out ASAP. Want specific people to know we know.

 

RE Osama Bin Laden. Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP were in constant communication over matter – both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.

 

Now Intel already leaking to media facts surrounding how info obtained. Namely from enhanced interrogation efforts via GITMO prisoners. Obama administration placed in corner on this. Some media aware of danger to president RE this and attempting protection. Others looking for further investigation. We are pushing for them to follow through and already meeting with some access.

 

Point of determination made FOR Obama not BY Obama. Will clarify as details become more clear. Very clear divide between Military and WH. Jarrett marginalized 100% on decision to take out OBL. She played no part. BD worked with LP and HC to form coalition to force CoC to engage.

 

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled. This order did not originate from CoC. Repeat – this order did not originate from CoC. He complied, but did not originate.

 

Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.

 

The killing of Osama Bin Laden was in fact a Coup within Obama WH.

 

Speaking with additional contacts RE info.

 

Stay safe.

 

 

Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics.../#ixzz1LJbn8ye4

[bmags]

lol

[Milkman delivers]

What the hell is News Flavor?

[Balta1701]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if there were people wanting to hit this compound months ago, based on what we've already heard. The reports are that the CIA "Red teamed" their intel early last week...took everything they had to a fresh set of eyes to get them to agree that independent analysts agreed UBL was on site, and that was the final straw.

[Milkman delivers]

LOL. There are now people suggesting that The Rock (the wrestler) knew what happened hours before Obama made the announcement.