caulfield12 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://www.suntimes.com/sports/5208885-419...ing-rumors.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 The problem with being "all in" is there is nothing left to toss in and they don't let you pull out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/05/28530...mes-hosmer.html The stakes on this road trip just got even more complicated. The Royals are launching a warning shot across the bow of the rest of the AL Central. It was one thing when we only had to worry about the Twins. This season, we'd have to jump FOUR teams that now all have a legitimate foundation for ending up as the division winner. We said the Indians aren't real, and maybe they're not, but the Royals have a LOT more talent than the 2003 team that had a 6 1/2 game lead for first place at the ASB. If any of their pitching phenoms can complement Hosmer and Moustakas, watch out. Soon. If Mike Montgomery and Duffy can make it (two lefties for their rotation already dominating in AAA), they're a legit contender. They already have Aaron Crow (another former 1st rounder) as a starter in waiting in the bullpen. And their expected fifth starter was Vin Mazzarro from the DeJesus trade, so they've got some definite talent there. Odorizzi from the Greinke/Brewers deal is also dealing in High A. Edited May 7, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I can't even believe this season is really happening. I haven't been able to see much baseball this year due to us being short at work and taking care of my pup...It'll probably start setting in over the next few weeks as I finally get a chance to see some games. Maybe they'll reel off 10 straight or something and erase this horrible, horrible first month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2011 -> 06:29 AM) http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/05/28530...mes-hosmer.html The stakes on this road trip just got even more complicated. The Royals are launching a warning shot across the bow of the rest of the AL Central. It was one thing when we only had to worry about the Twins. This season, we'd have to jump FOUR teams that now all have a legitimate foundation for ending up as the division winner. We said the Indians aren't real, and maybe they're not, but the Royals have a LOT more talent than the 2003 team that had a 6 1/2 game lead for first place at the ASB. If any of their pitching phenoms can complement Hosmer and Moustakas, watch out. Soon. If Mike Montgomery and Duffy can make it (two lefties for their rotation already dominating in AAA), they're a legit contender. Odorizzi from the Greinke/Brewers deal is also dealing in High A. No worries. Will just counter with our potent quartet of Jordan Danks, Tyler Flowers, Addison Reed and a side helping of Jacob Petricka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2011 -> 07:29 AM) http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/05/28530...mes-hosmer.html The stakes on this road trip just got even more complicated. The Royals are launching a warning shot across the bow of the rest of the AL Central. It was one thing when we only had to worry about the Twins. This season, we'd have to jump FOUR teams that now all have a legitimate foundation for ending up as the division winner. We said the Indians aren't real, and maybe they're not, but the Royals have a LOT more talent than the 2003 team that had a 6 1/2 game lead for first place at the ASB. If any of their pitching phenoms can complement Hosmer and Moustakas, watch out. Soon. If Mike Montgomery and Duffy can make it (two lefties for their rotation already dominating in AAA), they're a legit contender. Odorizzi from the Greinke/Brewers deal is also dealing in High A. How often does a May callup actually wind up affecting a pennant race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2011 -> 07:29 AM) How often does a May callup actually wind up affecting a pennant race? Probably at least as often as a team that opened with the Sox current record actually makes the playoffs. Its happened twice. In history. Edited May 6, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2011 -> 07:29 AM) How often does a May callup actually wind up affecting a pennant race? Buster Posey says salutations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:34 AM) Buster Posey says salutations. Wasn't he a June callup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2011 -> 07:35 AM) Wasn't he a June callup? Lol. C'mon, Balta. May or June, who cares. You implied called up prospects rarely affect pennant races. One did just that last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:41 AM) Lol. C'mon, Balta. May or June, who cares. You implied called up prospects rarely affect pennant races. One did just that last year. How many callups happen for teams that don't affect pennant races for each one that does. A handful at best, while the large majority wind up takign a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2011 -> 06:29 AM) http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/05/28530...mes-hosmer.html The stakes on this road trip just got even more complicated. The Royals are launching a warning shot across the bow of the rest of the AL Central. It was one thing when we only had to worry about the Twins. This season, we'd have to jump FOUR teams that now all have a legitimate foundation for ending up as the division winner. We said the Indians aren't real, and maybe they're not, but the Royals have a LOT more talent than the 2003 team that had a 6 1/2 game lead for first place at the ASB. If any of their pitching phenoms can complement Hosmer and Moustakas, watch out. Soon. If Mike Montgomery and Duffy can make it (two lefties for their rotation already dominating in AAA), they're a legit contender. Odorizzi from the Greinke/Brewers deal is also dealing in High A. You do realize that their rotation is Hochevar, Francis, Chen, Davies, & O'Sullivan? No offense can support that. I know that young prospects are so popular now, but let's wait until they do something in the majors before we crown KC 2013 & 2014 World Series Champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 6, 2011 -> 07:49 AM) You do realize that their rotation is Hochevar, Francis, Chen, Davies, & O'Sullivan? No offense can support that. I know that young prospects are so popular now, but let's wait until they do something in the majors before we crown KC 2013 & 2014 World Series Champions. Yes, and the fact that all of our starters are better than theirs with the exception of Humber (probably) tells you that there's something seriously wrong with our team chemistry/morale/attitude/mental make-up. Our offense just shouldn't be THIS bad. The Indians and Royals won't finish 1-2 in the AL in hitting, but as we learned in 2005, sometimes everything just goes your way. In the case of the Indians and Royals, it was for the Twins AND White Sox to both tank simultaneously to start the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Does anyone really think Kenny Williams would tell the media if he was about to fire someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:03 AM) Yes, and the fact that all of our starters are better than theirs with the exception of Humber (probably) tells you that there's something seriously wrong with our team chemistry/morale/attitude/mental make-up. Our offense just shouldn't be THIS bad. The Indians and Royals won't finish 1-2 in the AL in hitting, but as we learned in 2005, sometimes everything just goes your way. In the case of the Indians and Royals, it was for the Twins AND White Sox to both tank simultaneously to start the season. Why not? Both teams, especially the Indians, can rake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2011 -> 07:43 AM) How many callups happen for teams that don't affect pennant races for each one that does. A handful at best, while the large majority wind up takign a few years. Those callups are usually made by teams that aren't contending too. The Giants had a playoff ready pitching staff and just needed that one bat to help get those extra few wins to win the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:03 AM) Yes, and the fact that all of our starters are better than theirs with the exception of Humber (probably) tells you that there's something seriously wrong with our team chemistry/morale/attitude/mental make-up. Humber has the lowest ERA of the entire Sox rotation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Humber has the lowest ERA of the entire Sox rotation Please don't tell me you think Humber really is better than any of our other starters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 6, 2011 -> 09:25 AM) Please don't tell me you think Humber really is better than any of our other starters... I'm no longer sure. He's been throwing the most unhittable curveball in baseball so far this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Please don't tell me you think Humber really is better than any of our other starters... LOL, I'm just making the statistical observation that crappy old "doesn't belong on a ML roster" Phil Humber has put up the best ERA in the Sox rotation after one month of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 6, 2011 -> 07:36 AM) I'm no longer sure. He's been throwing the most unhittable curveball in baseball so far this season. Watch out, you might be making another solid argument for why Don Cooper's going nowhere...at least before the off-season. Would we actually control his (Humber's) rights for 4 years after this? How does the 2005 major league contract he signed with the Mets affect that, as he has only 1 full service year in the majors? If we actually have something legit in Humber, Peavy comes back to near ace form, you've got yourself Floyd and Sale to build around, what a clusterfuc* of a decision for ownership with Danks for 2012. I guess the biggest question isn't trading or re-signing Buehrle and Jackson, it simply all revolves around Danks' future. Personally, I'd rather trade him and roll the dice on identifying 2-3 top pitching prospects (Jackson and Danks return on investment) because paying him $15 million per season isn't logical with Peavy still on the roster. Then again, it's easier to rebuild/repair the offense than it is to find starting pitchers. All we need is to fix LF, Rios, 3B, Beckham and find a catcher. LOL. Philip Humber rhp 2011 claimed by Chicago White Sox off waivers from Oakland 1/18/11 1 year (2010) signed by Kansas City as a free agent 12/09 (minor-league contract) contract purchased by Kansas City 8/5/10 claimed by Oakland off waivers after being DFA by Kansas City 12/15/10 5 years/$4.2M (2005-09) signed Major League contract with NY Mets 1/05 $3M signing bonus bonuses may increase total value to $5.116M acquired by Minnesota in trade from NY Mets 2/1/08 (Santana deal) DFA by Minnesota 4/17/09, sent outright to AAA 4/21/09 contract purchased by Minnesota 8/18/09 drafted by NY Mets 2004 (1-3) (Rice) agent: Michael Moye ML service: 1.000source: Cot's baseball contracts Edited May 6, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:49 AM) You do realize that their rotation is Hochevar, Francis, Chen, Davies, & O'Sullivan? No offense can support that. I know that young prospects are so popular now, but let's wait until they do something in the majors before we crown KC 2013 & 2014 World Series Champions. It's worth noting as well that by calling up Hosmer now, they're making him a likely super-2 player if he hangs on, which means they're out a year of arb-eligibility and he hits FA a year earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Please don't tell me you think Humber really is better than any of our other starters... Humber > Buehrle. I feel very confident saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Carlton Fisk weighs in on the role of hitting coaches. http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/5/6/21568...hitting-coaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 6, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Please don't tell me you think Humber really is better than any of our other starters... Maybe, maybe not. But he's been much better than expected. And, it seems as if he's sustaining that. Only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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